You guys are starting to sound like the thought police.
If some Korean decides to name his "German-style bar" (which is what Koreans think of a "hof" as) after a famous and respected German military officer, he's bashed for praising "an infamous Nazi SS officer" and his business establishment "added... to the list of Nazi-themed establishments in Korea." Even though he was not a Nazi, an SS officer, or infamous (except in the minds of people who knee-jerkedly associate him with Nazis).
Now, when some other business owner takes a well-known American symbol, something positive, associated with high-tech, and even uplifting, he is derided ("epic fail"?) because that symbol met a fiery end?
What are the rules for what names people can choose to use for their establishments, because I'm a native English speaker and I certainly can't follow them?
Is anything involving a dead famous person out? Should we go tell all the places named Columbia Language Institute to pick something else, and put the Discovery chain on notice that if — God forbid! — that ship should go the way of the Challenger and the Columbia then we're going to picket them?
Is Alamo Rent-a-Car somehow an "epic fail" for their choice of names? What if a Korean businessman or woman, fond of his/her time in New York, were to honor fallen Americans by naming their hamburger shop "WTC," then should they be hounded?
Really, what are the rules and where do we draw the line? I'm definitely going to go pull this one out the next time someone in the K-blogosphere goes on about "overly sensitive Koreans."
I see this as interesting, not outrageous. And like Zonath at Marmot's Hole, I see it perhaps as a way of honoring the people who died.
[Cross-posted here, with my apologies to Brian if I sound overly harsh.]
Look, a Challenger PC room isn't the biggest issue facing us in 2009. Hell, there's a rocket of another sort that's much bigger news. But come on, apologizing for a guy using the Challenger for his PC Bang is pretty weak.
Well, I don't think you can get "outrage" from my three-line post. The choice of name strikes me as profoundly stupid and ignorant. Don't take it out on me for wanting Koreans to put some thought into the English they use, and some context to the images they borrow.
Brian, I'm not apologizing for anything. Like Zonath, I don't see it as a problem at all.
It seems to me people are being too sensitive about this and they're not letting people use it in any other way because of the tragedy. The guy who put this there has a big USA on his signboard. Had he used the upper photo here, I would probably have a different point of view, but they have a much more positive and uplifting image.
This is not someone who is showing contempt for America or Americans. If anything, he/she is showing a positive view of these things. This reaction seems almost VANK-like.
What is the reason for the outrage? What are the rules? And I'm serious that if you really feel this sense of outrage, maybe you really should go into consulting to prevent these kinds of outrages. I thought I would be qualified to do it (I would probably have cautioned against Rommel just because of the potential for misunderstanding), but I really do not see the problem with Challenger.
Fair enough, Brian. I'll try not to use "outrage" if you can give me a more apt word to describe your feeling.
But I don't think it stupid or ignorant, or "epic fail," especially if the person has a positive view of anything related to the Challenger, including the country that made it.
In an urban landscape flush with signs for business after business, names that are unique and stand out are the norm. Names directly related to a certain business run out mighty quickly, so people might name, say, a Japanese restaurant some random thing, like Atom Boy, Taemado, or even Honolulu.
In such a context, what is wrong with choosing Challenger? The name is for a predominantly Korean-raised population that understands this.
something positive... and even uplifting, he is derided ("epic fail"?) because that symbol met a fiery end?
Yes, that's exactly it. There is nothing positive or uplifting about an exploding ball of death.
Should we go tell all the places named Columbia Language Institute to pick something else, and put the Discovery chain on notice that if — God forbid! — that ship should go the way of the Challenger and the Columbia then we're going to picket them?
Red Herring--Was the language institute named after the shuttle of the same name? Does the Discovery channel have a picture of a shuttle of the same name?
I am going to open up a Sushi bar in Korea Town and call it Hideyoshi Sushi Bar and I'm going to have a picture of the Shogun chopping off the heads of Koreans, with one foot on Korea, another in Japan, and his big dick beating against a rock labelled Takeshima in the Sea of Japan.
There is nothing positive or uplifting about an exploding ball of death.
Where is this exploding ball of death? The picture here is of a space shuttle taking off. Perhaps you all are confusing the picture on the sign with this picture of the explosion? That would be extremely distasteful and offensive.
I am going to open up a Sushi bar in Korea Town and call it Hideyoshi Sushi Bar and I'm going to have a picture of the Shogun chopping off the heads of Koreans, with one foot on Korea, another in Japan, and his big dick beating against a rock labelled Takeshima in the Sea of Japan.
Oh, yeah, because THAT is the same.
Really, people, write down some rules so everyone will know what to do.
How about calling the person who owns the place and ask him or her why that name was chosen?
You are starting to piss me off, Kushibo. It is inappropriate to name your bar and have a picture of a disaster where all on board were seen to die in the worst possible way by hundreds of millions of people including their children, spouses, and parents. Does anyone remember that FUCKED UP KKKorean newspaper ad where the Arab hijackers are in the cockpit with the American about to ram the world trade centers when a Korean newspaper flies up on the window and all start laughing and miss the towers?! What the fuck?! When will you all realize that these people have no souls and think NOTHING of anyone but themselves. Everyone hates these people. There is no other country where the world despises a place like here. Stop taking their side. They are wrong.
nb wrote: You are starting to piss me off, Kushibo.
Get in line.
It is inappropriate to name your bar and have a picture of a disaster where all on board were seen to die in the worst possible way by hundreds of millions of people including their children, spouses, and parents.
What the hell are you talking about? What "picture of a disaster"? It's a launch! The Challenger had NINE successful missions with NINE successful launches, orbiting the Earth nearly a thousand times and traveling 25 million miles from 1983 until October 1985, before disaster struck on its tenth mission.
Do a Google image search of "space shuttle launch" and you will find loads of similar pictures.
Is that the problem here? Do you guys think that's a picture of the explosion? It didn't explode on the launchpad; it exploded nine miles up above the ground. This is NOT a picture of the Challenger exploding.
Does anyone remember that FUCKED UP KKKorean newspaper ad where the Arab hijackers are in the cockpit with the American about to ram the world trade centers when a Korean newspaper flies up on the window and all start laughing and miss the towers?! What the fuck?!
Come on, nb. One crazed, incoherent rant at a time.
When will you all realize that these people have no souls and think NOTHING of anyone but themselves. Everyone hates these people. There is no other country where the world despises a place like here.
Okay, Brian. Does this count as "outrage"?
Stop taking their side. They are wrong.
Calm down, nb. Take your meds. Relax. I made no comment whatsoever about the 9/11 ad, so what in fuck's sake are you talking about me taking that side? You shouldn't let all the voices in your head all talk at once.
As for the issue at hand, Zonath, Bipolar Mindscrew, keith, and Pohang all agree that this is not problematic. Not that argumentum ad populum makes my argument stronger, just that I'm not some lone apologist commenter.
I will say, though, that keith's joke at MH was tasteless, especially considering the fact that the subject matter obviously is sensitive.
Also, for whatever it's worth, not only is this NOT a picture of the destruction of the Challenger, it's not even a picture of a Challenger launch.
It's a launch of the Columbia, which was the only one ever to have markings like that (American flag on the left wing and USA on the right).
The Columbia, of course, also met with disaster (in 2003), but the launch shown here was not the final launch, when the Columbia would have had different markings.
I used to come to this blog very often because I enjoy Brian’s insight into aspects of life in South Korea that are similar to my own, and he also gathers a lot of useful information that I find benefits myself as well, but Kushibo’s basically taking the blog over has dropped it way down the list of blogs I peruse. I don’t know what his obsession is, but it looks like he has a few holes to fill in his personal life.
Kushibo, I enjoy the first couple of comments you leave because they are usually well-thought out and relevant to the posting, but you carry it way too far with your incessant follow-up comments. I have a feeling that I am not the only one it turns me off. I’ve tried following your blog, but you do the same when someone leaves a comment on one of your posts--you berate the poor commenter to death with more and more comments. It seems like insanity. Leave a comment, or two, and leave it well enough alone.
Brian, I think you are too nice a guy to get upset by troublesome commenters, but, at least in my eyes, the nonstop point after point commenting by Kushibo is a big turn off and keeping me away for longer and longer periods of time.
Thanks for letting me post my one comment, Brian, while it is still your blog.
I'll repeat a comment I left on my own thread at TMH:
Challenger's explosion happened over 20 years ago and the cafe image shows the shuttle lifting off, not exploding, so it's possible the cafe owner isn't even aware of its tragic demise. Certainly most of the young customers won't make the association. It's a peculiar name choice, not an offensive one.
I used to come to this blog very often because I enjoy Brian’s insight into aspects of life in South Korea that are similar to my own, and he also gathers a lot of useful information that I find benefits myself as well, but Kushibo’s basically taking the blog over has dropped it way down the list of blogs I peruse.
I feel much the same way as you, jawick. While kushibo does bring up some good points, it feels like those are often drowned out by all the tl;dr.
That's three in one post. I didn't realize what a bunch of precious little lotus blossoms this crowd is. Most people would add something to the discussion or just scroll past what they find so annoying.
But if that's the popular judgement, then I'll take my leave. Unless at least the same number of people or more say something to the contrary, which I'm not so delusional as to expect, I'll be going. Nice chatting with most of you.
I don’t know what his obsession is, but it looks like he has a few holes to fill in his personal life.
Your analysis: epic fail. I'm sitting in front of a computer all day today inputting data on immigration from a big, thick Japanese census book, and perusing news sites and K-blogs in between tables has helped break up the monotony and stave off carpal tunnel syndrome.
well as long as Kushibo's comment is right and factual (which i agree oftentimes than not because it was supported by references) then i dont have any problems with it.
As long as he stays neutral, not bias and not showing his obvious eternal love for Korea (just a joke dude), then ill be fine.
As long as his style of commenting/replying using multiple posts/comments :) is ok with Brian, then so be it.
One thing is sure, Kushibo is a very opinionated person..but again i have no issues with it.
Perhaps it would be better to leave off the line-by-line rebuttals, kushibo. You're certainly welcome to agree or disagree however you please, but I don't want other commentors to feel intimidated or overwhelmed. Especially if you're posting lengthy counter-arguments to your own site, it might be more conducive to conversation about the topic at hand to be brief.
And I'll just add that doesn't mean your comments aren't welcome . . . on the contrary they're well-informed, thought-provoking, and a good counter-balance to what's often found on other blogs. But let's give the instantaneous debate a rest for a while . . . and that goes fof everyone else. Say what you want to say, and let others get their opinions in.
Shut up, Jawick. We're having a nearly civil discourse on South Korean society, If you would like to join, I am sure that you are more than welcome. If not, find something else for your fingers to do. If you have been reading Brian then you would know that he encourages these types of exchanges in the comments section (I believe). Kushibo has a point (even if he is wrong) and who the fuck are you to tell him not to comment on Brian's blog? If you have something to add, then add it. Elsewise (is that even a word), piss off.
is it just me or does the sign say 우리PC방게임랜드 or some such. Cool. If they want a ride on the Challenger and call it a game land, have at it. If Kushibo wants to leave comments that make people develop opinions about him, go for it. I respect anyone anal retentive enough to keep a blog going. People who are too much so, who can't take criticism, really, go back to Canada.
Just to throw a thought out there...What do you think the response of Koreans living overseas would be if an establishment was named 'Sampoong' and had the picture of the department store that collapsed.
Hmm, no, I don't think it was directed at any particular person or group. What probably happened is the guy wanted to use a space theme, looked around for a stock photo of a space shuttle, and added the first name that came to mind.
On here and on Marmot's people are under the impression that I'm outraged by this. No, I'm just pointing out that it's a bad name. Like if somebody opened a deli in Toledo named "Sampoong." It becomes hard to think of it as anything but callous.
It's good to know that you are not outrageous but simply think that it is a bad name. I think you have a point about it, but it feels like that you went a bit too much, reminding me of some political correctness stuff.
Is it usually expected that an average korean should know the name of the space shuttle which exploded tragically more than 20 years ago in America?
'challegner' kind of english words are often used to name establishments in korea. If you say the owners is just ignorant, I'd fully agree. But no more than that.
Yes, Minue662, but my thing is, why invest the time and money to have a sign with a space shuttle, and then pick the name of one that blew up on national TV? Wouldn't you want to spend a few minutes researching the name of your business? Ignorance? Maaaaaaaaybe, but I'm also tempted to think the guy just didn't care.
nb wrote: I would like Kushibo to be able to do a line by line for what I comment. I rather enjoy it.
Hmm... I had been counting nb in the anti-kushibo column (he said I was "starting to piss [him] off"), so after redoing the math, I'm back in business.
I'm not going to refute or support anything said since I've been away, but I will mention that I presented this to someone who attends a McAuliffe School in OC and she thought it was no problem at all. :)
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Again, you're missing the point, Brian.
Heinrich Challenger was an infamous S.S. officer during World War II.
Wow. Epic fail.
You guys are starting to sound like the thought police.
If some Korean decides to name his "German-style bar" (which is what Koreans think of a "hof" as) after a famous and respected German military officer, he's bashed for praising "an infamous Nazi SS officer" and his business establishment "added... to the list of Nazi-themed establishments in Korea." Even though he was not a Nazi, an SS officer, or infamous (except in the minds of people who knee-jerkedly associate him with Nazis).
Now, when some other business owner takes a well-known American symbol, something positive, associated with high-tech, and even uplifting, he is derided ("epic fail"?) because that symbol met a fiery end?
What are the rules for what names people can choose to use for their establishments, because I'm a native English speaker and I certainly can't follow them?
Is anything involving a dead famous person out? Should we go tell all the places named Columbia Language Institute to pick something else, and put the Discovery chain on notice that if — God forbid! — that ship should go the way of the Challenger and the Columbia then we're going to picket them?
Is Alamo Rent-a-Car somehow an "epic fail" for their choice of names? What if a Korean businessman or woman, fond of his/her time in New York, were to honor fallen Americans by naming their hamburger shop "WTC," then should they be hounded?
Really, what are the rules and where do we draw the line? I'm definitely going to go pull this one out the next time someone in the K-blogosphere goes on about "overly sensitive Koreans."
I see this as interesting, not outrageous. And like Zonath at Marmot's Hole, I see it perhaps as a way of honoring the people who died.
[Cross-posted here, with my apologies to Brian if I sound overly harsh.]
kushibo, it's hard to take you seriously... but then, the Challenger disaster was probably before your time...
Look, a Challenger PC room isn't the biggest issue facing us in 2009. Hell, there's a rocket of another sort that's much bigger news. But come on, apologizing for a guy using the Challenger for his PC Bang is pretty weak.
It's hard to take me seriously?
Before I respond, can you explain to me the source of your outrage by this place being named Challenger?
(Which, by the way, I am old enough to remember quite well, especially since relatives were working on it at the time of its destruction.)
Well, I don't think you can get "outrage" from my three-line post. The choice of name strikes me as profoundly stupid and ignorant. Don't take it out on me for wanting Koreans to put some thought into the English they use, and some context to the images they borrow.
Brian, I'm not apologizing for anything. Like Zonath, I don't see it as a problem at all.
It seems to me people are being too sensitive about this and they're not letting people use it in any other way because of the tragedy. The guy who put this there has a big USA on his signboard. Had he used the upper photo here, I would probably have a different point of view, but they have a much more positive and uplifting image.
This is not someone who is showing contempt for America or Americans. If anything, he/she is showing a positive view of these things. This reaction seems almost VANK-like.
What is the reason for the outrage? What are the rules? And I'm serious that if you really feel this sense of outrage, maybe you really should go into consulting to prevent these kinds of outrages. I thought I would be qualified to do it (I would probably have cautioned against Rommel just because of the potential for misunderstanding), but I really do not see the problem with Challenger.
Fair enough, Brian. I'll try not to use "outrage" if you can give me a more apt word to describe your feeling.
But I don't think it stupid or ignorant, or "epic fail," especially if the person has a positive view of anything related to the Challenger, including the country that made it.
In an urban landscape flush with signs for business after business, names that are unique and stand out are the norm. Names directly related to a certain business run out mighty quickly, so people might name, say, a Japanese restaurant some random thing, like Atom Boy, Taemado, or even Honolulu.
In such a context, what is wrong with choosing Challenger? The name is for a predominantly Korean-raised population that understands this.
Fuck.
something positive... and even uplifting, he is derided ("epic fail"?) because that symbol met a fiery end?
Yes, that's exactly it. There is nothing positive or uplifting about an exploding ball of death.
Should we go tell all the places named Columbia Language Institute to pick something else, and put the Discovery chain on notice that if — God forbid! — that ship should go the way of the Challenger and the Columbia then we're going to picket them?
Red Herring--Was the language institute named after the shuttle of the same name? Does the Discovery channel have a picture of a shuttle of the same name?
I am going to open up a Sushi bar in Korea Town and call it Hideyoshi Sushi Bar and I'm going to have a picture of the Shogun chopping off the heads of Koreans, with one foot on Korea, another in Japan, and his big dick beating against a rock labelled Takeshima in the Sea of Japan.
Can we draw the line there?
There is nothing positive or uplifting about an exploding ball of death.
Where is this exploding ball of death? The picture here is of a space shuttle taking off. Perhaps you all are confusing the picture on the sign with this picture of the explosion? That would be extremely distasteful and offensive.
I am going to open up a Sushi bar in Korea Town and call it Hideyoshi Sushi Bar and I'm going to have a picture of the Shogun chopping off the heads of Koreans, with one foot on Korea, another in Japan, and his big dick beating against a rock labelled Takeshima in the Sea of Japan.
Oh, yeah, because THAT is the same.
Really, people, write down some rules so everyone will know what to do.
How about calling the person who owns the place and ask him or her why that name was chosen?
You are starting to piss me off, Kushibo.
It is inappropriate to name your bar and have a picture of a disaster where all on board were seen to die in the worst possible way by hundreds of millions of people including their children, spouses, and parents.
Does anyone remember that FUCKED UP KKKorean newspaper ad where the Arab hijackers are in the cockpit with the American about to ram the world trade centers when a Korean newspaper flies up on the window and all start laughing and miss the towers?! What the fuck?! When will you all realize that these people have no souls and think NOTHING of anyone but themselves. Everyone hates these people. There is no other country where the world despises a place like here. Stop taking their side. They are wrong.
nb wrote:
You are starting to piss me off, Kushibo.
Get in line.
It is inappropriate to name your bar and have a picture of a disaster where all on board were seen to die in the worst possible way by hundreds of millions of people including their children, spouses, and parents.
What the hell are you talking about? What "picture of a disaster"? It's a launch! The Challenger had NINE successful missions with NINE successful launches, orbiting the Earth nearly a thousand times and traveling 25 million miles from 1983 until October 1985, before disaster struck on its tenth mission.
Do a Google image search of "space shuttle launch" and you will find loads of similar pictures.
Is that the problem here? Do you guys think that's a picture of the explosion? It didn't explode on the launchpad; it exploded nine miles up above the ground. This is NOT a picture of the Challenger exploding.
Does anyone remember that FUCKED UP KKKorean newspaper ad where the Arab hijackers are in the cockpit with the American about to ram the world trade centers when a Korean newspaper flies up on the window and all start laughing and miss the towers?! What the fuck?!
Come on, nb. One crazed, incoherent rant at a time.
When will you all realize that these people have no souls and think NOTHING of anyone but themselves. Everyone hates these people. There is no other country where the world despises a place like here.
Okay, Brian. Does this count as "outrage"?
Stop taking their side. They are wrong.
Calm down, nb. Take your meds. Relax. I made no comment whatsoever about the 9/11 ad, so what in fuck's sake are you talking about me taking that side? You shouldn't let all the voices in your head all talk at once.
As for the issue at hand, Zonath, Bipolar Mindscrew, keith, and Pohang all agree that this is not problematic. Not that argumentum ad populum makes my argument stronger, just that I'm not some lone apologist commenter.
I will say, though, that keith's joke at MH was tasteless, especially considering the fact that the subject matter obviously is sensitive.
Also, for whatever it's worth, not only is this NOT a picture of the destruction of the Challenger, it's not even a picture of a Challenger launch.
It's a launch of the Columbia, which was the only one ever to have markings like that (American flag on the left wing and USA on the right).
The Columbia, of course, also met with disaster (in 2003), but the launch shown here was not the final launch, when the Columbia would have had different markings.
Everybody's missing the point. (Well . . . except for me.) The "Challenger" is meant to promise that this bar will prove a real blast!
Want to get thoroughly blasted to smithereens? Drink yourself bombed at the Challenger!
"An Explosion of Delight!"
Jeffery Hodges
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I used to come to this blog very often because I enjoy Brian’s insight into aspects of life in South Korea that are similar to my own, and he also gathers a lot of useful information that I find benefits myself as well, but Kushibo’s basically taking the blog over has dropped it way down the list of blogs I peruse. I don’t know what his obsession is, but it looks like he has a few holes to fill in his personal life.
Kushibo, I enjoy the first couple of comments you leave because they are usually well-thought out and relevant to the posting, but you carry it way too far with your incessant follow-up comments. I have a feeling that I am not the only one it turns me off. I’ve tried following your blog, but you do the same when someone leaves a comment on one of your posts--you berate the poor commenter to death with more and more comments. It seems like insanity. Leave a comment, or two, and leave it well enough alone.
Brian, I think you are too nice a guy to get upset by troublesome commenters, but, at least in my eyes, the nonstop point after point commenting by Kushibo is a big turn off and keeping me away for longer and longer periods of time.
Thanks for letting me post my one comment, Brian, while it is still your blog.
John from Daejeon
I'll repeat a comment I left on my own thread at TMH:
Challenger's explosion happened over 20 years ago and the cafe image shows the shuttle lifting off, not exploding, so it's possible the cafe owner isn't even aware of its tragic demise. Certainly most of the young customers won't make the association. It's a peculiar name choice, not an offensive one.
I used to come to this blog very often because I enjoy Brian’s insight into aspects of life in South Korea that are similar to my own, and he also gathers a lot of useful information that I find benefits myself as well, but Kushibo’s basically taking the blog over has dropped it way down the list of blogs I peruse.
I feel much the same way as you, jawick. While kushibo does bring up some good points, it feels like those are often drowned out by all the tl;dr.
That's three in one post. I didn't realize what a bunch of precious little lotus blossoms this crowd is. Most people would add something to the discussion or just scroll past what they find so annoying.
But if that's the popular judgement, then I'll take my leave. Unless at least the same number of people or more say something to the contrary, which I'm not so delusional as to expect, I'll be going. Nice chatting with most of you.
I don’t know what his obsession is, but it looks like he has a few holes to fill in his personal life.
Your analysis: epic fail. I'm sitting in front of a computer all day today inputting data on immigration from a big, thick Japanese census book, and perusing news sites and K-blogs in between tables has helped break up the monotony and stave off carpal tunnel syndrome.
well as long as Kushibo's comment is right and factual (which i agree oftentimes than not because it was supported by references) then i dont have any problems with it.
As long as he stays neutral, not bias and not showing his obvious eternal love for Korea (just a joke dude), then ill be fine.
As long as his style of commenting/replying using multiple posts/comments :) is ok with Brian, then so be it.
One thing is sure, Kushibo is a very opinionated person..but again i have no issues with it.
Perhaps it would be better to leave off the line-by-line rebuttals, kushibo. You're certainly welcome to agree or disagree however you please, but I don't want other commentors to feel intimidated or overwhelmed. Especially if you're posting lengthy counter-arguments to your own site, it might be more conducive to conversation about the topic at hand to be brief.
And I'll just add that doesn't mean your comments aren't welcome . . . on the contrary they're well-informed, thought-provoking, and a good counter-balance to what's often found on other blogs. But let's give the instantaneous debate a rest for a while . . . and that goes fof everyone else. Say what you want to say, and let others get their opinions in.
Thanks.
Shut up, Jawick. We're having a nearly civil discourse on South Korean society, If you would like to join, I am sure that you are more than welcome. If not, find something else for your fingers to do. If you have been reading Brian then you would know that he encourages these types of exchanges in the comments section (I believe). Kushibo has a point (even if he is wrong) and who the fuck are you to tell him not to comment on Brian's blog? If you have something to add, then add it. Elsewise (is that even a word), piss off.
Brian,
I would like Kushibo to be able to do a line by line for what I comment. I rather enjoy it.
is it just me or does the sign say 우리PC방게임랜드 or some such. Cool. If they want a ride on the Challenger and call it a game land, have at it.
If Kushibo wants to leave comments that make people develop opinions about him, go for it.
I respect anyone anal retentive enough to keep a blog going. People who are too much so, who can't take criticism, really, go back to Canada.
Just to throw a thought out there...What do you think the response of Koreans living overseas would be if an establishment was named 'Sampoong' and had the picture of the department store that collapsed.
Brain/
Do you think it is probably that the owner of the PC bang picked up the name, 'challenger', in some intention of insulting, mocking someone?
Hmm, no, I don't think it was directed at any particular person or group. What probably happened is the guy wanted to use a space theme, looked around for a stock photo of a space shuttle, and added the first name that came to mind.
On here and on Marmot's people are under the impression that I'm outraged by this. No, I'm just pointing out that it's a bad name. Like if somebody opened a deli in Toledo named "Sampoong." It becomes hard to think of it as anything but callous.
It's good to know that you are not outrageous but simply think that it is a bad name. I think you have a point about it, but it feels like that you went a bit too much, reminding me of some political correctness stuff.
Is it usually expected that an average korean should know the name of the space shuttle which exploded tragically more than 20 years ago in America?
'challegner' kind of english words are often used to name establishments in korea. If you say the owners is just ignorant, I'd fully agree. But no more than that.
Yes, Minue662, but my thing is, why invest the time and money to have a sign with a space shuttle, and then pick the name of one that blew up on national TV? Wouldn't you want to spend a few minutes researching the name of your business? Ignorance? Maaaaaaaaybe, but I'm also tempted to think the guy just didn't care.
nb wrote:
I would like Kushibo to be able to do a line by line for what I comment. I rather enjoy it.
Hmm... I had been counting nb in the anti-kushibo column (he said I was "starting to piss [him] off"), so after redoing the math, I'm back in business.
I'm not going to refute or support anything said since I've been away, but I will mention that I presented this to someone who attends a McAuliffe School in OC and she thought it was no problem at all. :)
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