Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Dating site UBLove to put on male version of "Chatting with the Beauties."

Thanks to Paul of an acorn in the dog's food for passing along this email sent to UBLove members:
Wanted Guests for MISUDA TV Program in Korea.

Hello from the UBLove Team.

A famous Korean global talk show called <Misuda> are looking for foreign member in UBLOVE.

Misuda is a global talk show for young foreign woman, who are familiar with Korean culture and talks about Korean men.Every week, 16 young woman from all over the world will participate in their show.

They will talk about their Korean life and experiences, and about their life back at home.


Misuda production don’t only organize a show for young foreign women we are preparing a special show for co-hosting foreign men to as well.


We are preparing interviews for our UBLOVE members and Misuda.

All applicants, who are interested in being a guest participant in the Misuda show or if you have anything to say about your life in South Korea may register!!

We hope that your life experience in South Korea has been an enjoyable experience.

Note: There are no obligations, we are only conducting interviews and we welcome all applicants.

Apply now!

If you are interested in conducting interviews on the Misuda talk show, please mail us support@ublove.com.

Thanks and regards,

UBLove Team

UBLove is a dating and friendship site here in South Korea. I was a member for about two years, and I met a few decent people, though I cancelled last year because I was receiving nothing but spam messages from Russians and Chinese users. Anyway, I wrote about it in May, 2008, after the site sent out a message looking couples of English-speaking men and Korean women. An excerpt:
We are searching now for any native English speaking males who met native Korean female members for friends, pen pals, dates or marriage.
We are going to be hosting a show on Korean cable, channel TVN about UBLove members and would like to conduct an interview.
For your trouble we will give a generous monetary amount to cover your date expenses.

And for those not familiar, "Chatting with the Beauties," or "Misuda" (미녀들의 수다) is a show on Korean TV where a panel of young foreign women speak in Korean about their experiences in the country. It's sometimes entertaining, sometimes enlightening, sometimes hackneyed, sometimes ugly. Though there was one other episode of a male version two years ago, that it never caught on is representative of the attitudes held toward foreign men who date Korean women. Here's a little of what Drama Beans had to say about that episode:
The conversation was intended to be go along the lines of each foreign-born hottie explaining what he liked about Korea, but their free-flowing, unfiltered coarse talk instead offended viewers by putting down Korean women. A little bit of the critique goes to hosts Hyun Young (actress and singer-lite) and Nam Hee Seok for asking lame questions like “Which of the female panelists would you most like to have a drink with?” Viewers disliked the shallow talk which barely touched on any matters of interest, such as asking about the culture gap and the men’s opinions on the differences of living in Korea.

This could prove . . . interesting, so long as the men aren't portrayed as horndogs or goofy foreigners. And so long as the men don't agree to act like that on the program. The Drama Beans post, by the way, comes to us via the latest post on The Grand Narrative, about a new comedy staring a French man who finds himself shipwrecked on Jeju and falls for a young Korean woman. Though it's not that unusual to see foreign women on Korean TV---including in sexual roles---it's rare to see Caucasian men portrayed as anything other than slimeballs or buffoons.

17 comments:

Peter said...

I predict that it will be a disaster. Best-case scenario, it will be a commercial failure and will quickly be cancelled. Worst-case scenario, the producers will stack the panel with douches who exemplify the nastiest Korean stereotypes of foreign men.

I admit it's possible that giving screen time to foreign men MIGHT help to make them less threatening in the eyes of the average Korean. I think it's far more likely, however, that this show will have the opposite effect. A panel of hot foreign women is perceived as cute and titillating; a panel of hot foreign men will stir up pre-existing fears that foreign men are in Korea to steal Korean women away from "deserving" Korean men.

I admit I'm a little pessimistic about this. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

Janinel said...

In my experience, the majority of them ARE slimeballs and buffoons. A foreign man in Korea who treats his Korean girlfriend with respect and sincerity is a rare, and very welcome, gem. Good luck finding enough of them to fill the panel!

You make it sound like foriegn women in Korea have it much easier than foreign men, but don't forget, due to the "sexualization" of foreign women on Korean TV we have a huge stereotype to overcome as well.

Darth Babaganoosh said...

"A foreign man in Korea who treats his Korean girlfriend with respect and sincerity is a rare, and very welcome, gem."

That is offensive and I'm offended.

You are as bad as the Misuda panel when they slagged foreign men on their TV program. Perpetuating negative stereotypes doesn't help anyone, especially those not based in fact.

Try leaving Hongdae and seeing a bit of Korea. There more than a handful of foreign men out here who treat Korean women respectfully.

3gyupsal said...

Before everyone starts thinking of foreign men as either Canadian or Americans who teach English, please remember that the misuda show actually represents people from many other countries than just places where people speak English.

The fact that the K-blogosphere seems to be a bit of a boys club defiantly raises a bunch of eyebrows whenever someone on the misuda program has something negative to say about "Charisma men," or what not. What eventually follows is a litany of commenters saying things like, "The misuda girls are only famous cuz they can speak Korean and they are foreign." or "they will say something about "Korea apologists." I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would be less angry if they would stop reading blogs, or the Korea times and taking seriously whatever some Korean sack of shit has to say about western men.

Now back to my original train of thought. There are more non English teaching foreign men here than your average Joe Hagwon, and I'm sure their opinions would be very interesting to hear. I am incredibly curious as to what Russian factory workers do when they encounter some little snotnose who yells "Hi, where are you from?" at them.

@Janinel
Assholes will always stick out in your memory. The dudes who are good to their girlfreinds or wives, you will probably never meet them, because they don't get out that much. When you make a commitment to settle down, you really don't respond to the group text message that says "We're all meeting at Wa-bar at 10:00 for ________'s going home party," you don't respond to it because probably don't know _________ and you really don't care if they are going home.

John B said...

To make the show more interesting and in the interest of improving the tolerance of diversity in Korean society, maybe we should make an effort to circulate this not just on the K-blogs, but pass it on to non-Anglophone friends as well?

Peter said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Peter said...

@3gyupsal

Like you, I would love to hear factory workers engage in candid discussion about their experience in Korea. But honestly, I would be pretty surprised if any factory workers were cast for the show. Aren't the female Misuda panelists mostly students? I doubt the producers are interested in presenting an accurate cross-section of the foreigners in Korea. Like television producers around the world, they're probably just interested in hooking an audience, any way they can.

Anonymous said...

With the release of Bandhobi this year there may be some interest in getting a much larger cross-section of panelists than one might first expect. While it's true that there may not be a whole ot of variety, it will be interesting to see who is included in the final cast. Like 3gyupsal and Peter, I would definitely like to hear from panelists of the CIS and/or factory workers.

During my first year in Korea I met an Algerian man on the subway, who was on his way home to Dongducheon. He mentioned undergoing training in Sri Lanka before coming into the country, how hard it was to get halal food, working long hours, sharing an officetel with four other guys, and traveling to Itaewon every week to attend the mosque there. That's a very different set of life circumstances than what I see English teachers writing about on their blogs. I recall one blogger complaining when her apartment didn't have a window -- but you know, I'd call that better than sharing an officetel between 5 people. His only complaint about Korea? That the average Korean didn't speak more than the most basic English. I'd love to hear more stories like that, as I think it would provide a new perspective for both Korean citizens and English teachers who watch the show.

The message I saw on UBLove was only in English, but I hope there are versions in other languages available to help spread the word about this show.

Anonymous said...

Also, I heartily second the suggestion made by John B of passing the word along to non-Anglophone friends.

Brian said...

3gyupsal, I'd be surprised if they got many Canadian or American teachers. I think among the foreigners who are proficient in Korean, a relatively small number come from the teaching ranks. Indeed the laborers are more proficient because their jobs depend on it. That one-off 미남들의수다 episode also had people from all over the world, though it seemed kind of lame.

That this is circulated on UBLove is telling. How many people who aren't students, teachers, or military use the site? The problem is that the female version relies heavily on flirting, where I don't think that'd fly on a male version. Where the women can get away with making fun of Korean guys, as we saw it doesn't look like foreign men will be allowed to comment on Korean women.

Matt@Occidentalism.org said...

If the questions are along the lines of the girls version, then it is a problem waiting to happen. Sample, real question from the girls show -

'What does your Korean oppa do when he gets drunk?'

On the guys show -

'What does your Korean nuna do when she gets drunk?'

Scary. I can imagine all the cockblocks people will get the day after the show appears.

Janinel said...

ROK Hound:

If what I wrote doesn't apply to you, why should you be offended? In this case, in this country, and all over Asia, the stereotype fits more often than not. Fact. Take pride in the fact that you're in the minority.

Brian said...

If you think the majority of white men disrespect Asian women then you've got your head pretty far up your ass.

Darth Babaganoosh said...

I shouldn't be offended when you slag an entire gender? If it was a guy saying the same thing about a woman, he'd be roasted for being a sexist asshole.

Regardless if I am "lucky" enough to be in "the minority", YOU are still a sexist asshole and it is still offensive.

Janinel said...

I didn't slag an entire gender. Just the majority. Learn to read.

Also, go to Cambodia and then you can tell me I have my head up my ass. Thanks.

Unknown said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
cletsey said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.