Near the top of the Chosun Ilbo website this morning, accompanied with the three Choi Hui-seon articles, is news that "drug-taking foreign English teachers" have been busted in Seoul for gambling and, well, taking drugs. This has been circulating on some other blogs, so visit The Marmot's Hole, Monster Island, and Korea Beat for more discussion. Michael Hurt, the man behind Korean Media Watch, has interviewed those busted, and posted the .mp3 here. Monster Island has blogged his reaction to interview; an excerpt:
The audio is all kinds of stupid. The supposedly objective "Korean Media Watch" is feeding lines and editorializing, and if it's the interviewer's voice I'm hearing, offering at least a little inaccurate information.
You've got the professional poker player saying that's what he does for a living — bad move. You've got them admitting inadvertently that they have played these games in the past, perhaps regularly, and they have a whole set up (extra decks of cards to replace missing cards) that indicates it's a serious endeavor.
And then there's the whole part about how the Korean police should understand that Texas Hold 'Em is common in North America, no big deal, and they should understand the culture.
And then there's the whole thing about how "we're foreigners" so we can gamble anywhere in Korea anyway.
Ignorance and arrogance, driving a self-serving justification of having done something illegal. But it should be okay, though, because they're foreigners.
Indeed, the interview, and the things I've seen from Korean Media Watch thus far, are anything but unbiased. Robert Koehler's take:
Busting guys for a home poker game seems rather petty, but I really could have used less of the whole “Oh, the Koreans don’t understand Texas Holdem/concept of a tournament/poker is a game of skill” stuff. They don’t have to understand — it’s the accused that need to “understand” whether or not Korean law regards poker as gambling.
I’d also say they made some pretty major accusations against the police. Would like to hear what the police have to say about it.
These accusations include falsifying drug tests and forcing the suspects to make false confessions.
The first news of this trickled out a day earlier, as The Ruby Canary wrote that
Jim went into Seoul to hang out with a teacher friend he made in an interesting transaction buying a motercycle. He learned some interesting news about a group of teachers that work at his friend’s school. Apparently one of the guys had set up an “event” on facebook inviting other teachers over for a rowdy game of poker. They were halfway though the game, which did include some wagers of won just between friends, when a fully decked-out police force entered the apartment, arrested the guys playing the game, and the last we heard they had been in jail since Friday night. The friend heard they are being deported for illegal gambling.
So the word is out that the cops troll facebook for things to nail foreign teachers with. I have a hard time chalking this one up to cultural differences. I don’t think there many folks besides extremely conservative religious types who would consider an inside game of poker true gambling.
I've listened to the interview and read through most of the commentary available, and I have to say that while I've demonstrated a sympathy to foreigners being mistreated by the authorities, this group seems excessively annoying, ignorant, arrogant, and imbibed with a sense of entitlement. Around 10:50:
Also, I'm here right onw on a tourist visa, and I have a plane ticket to leave the country in two weeks to go home, and the offier said that because of what happened I'm not allowed to leave the country, I have to change my planet ticket, and just stay here until they feel the investigation is over. Which obviously I can't do, I can't just sit around not working, waiting for them to ask me questions.Around 15:40:
[Interviewer: And all this for essentially a poker game.]
Yes. Amongst friends.
One of the questions that they asked me was "Did you know this was illegal in Korea?" And I said, "I gamble in the casinos, I'm a foreigner. I saw no reason why I wouldn't be able to gamble with my friends at my house, we're all foreigners."Around 16:00:
They didn't understand that it was a small stakes game. Korea sensationalizes gambling in their television and movies and they didn't understand that, like, tons of money wasn't going itno the pot every hand. So, basically, I told her "yeah, I gamble all the time. I gamble at my friend's house."
It remains to be seen the role Facebook had in this, but it bears repeating that you should be careful what you post to the site. Drinking, partying, and dating don't disqualify one from being a good teacher, though we've that foreign teachers at a bar can make national news. Hell, go run a Naver search for 원어민강사 and look at the first image result. I won't preach to you, because you're all big boys and girls and you've all read that employers back home use google to find out more about their employees and applicants. There have been articles about objectionable content on teachers' forums like ESL Cafe, English Spectrum, and Korea Bridge in the news in recent years, so it shouldn't be surprising that authorities are clued-in to Facebook. I'll leave it up to you whether you want party pictures of yourself available for the public to see, whether you trust your Facebook friends to keep them private, though it should go without saying that you shouldn't advertise your illegal activities, or become indignant when these illegal activities are punished.
24 comments:
I find this so amusing since there are 10 Korean men who sit in front of the store across from apartment gambling ALL DAY. I mean literally every single day I see them playing card games with stacks of cash sitting in front of them.
Good warning though, thanks.
Maybe you should drop a dime on them.
Are you going to play poker tonight in a brothel?
I joined your Facebook event. I was going to volunteer at the orphanage tonight, but that's illegal, so I'm just going to play a little poker. Could you please post the exact time and location, and also give me your phone number? Koreans don't read my site, so it should be okay.
*cough*
The Marmot's Hole and Kushibo accusing another blog of bias?
Has the irony-free zone hit the expat blogs too?
Oh yeah. I forgot that volunteering was illegal.
Well, if prostitution, gambling and volunteering are all out, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my Friday night.
I don't actually gamble. I find card games (except Uno) annoying.
ROK Hound:
I'm many things, but not a narc.
Besides... those men give me candy and treats sometimes... I think they think I'm Russian.
I can't come either. I have a, well, um, date with a Ministry of Education official.
Monster Island missed the point.
No one's saying KMW is "unbiased." It HAS an agenda, stated right there at the top of the page. What we are NOT is UNETHICAL. And we're not a newspaper. We point out lies and half-truths, exaggerations and generalizations in the Korean media's stories, which anyone here can agree is extremely biased, unethical, and so free with its "facts" that reporting on foreigners could barely even be called "news."
And the point of the MP3 was to tell their narrative, to get it OUT there. As the slightest counter to what is surely to be spun into a mammoth snowball of untruth by the Korean media.
I wasn't "feeding" lines, and Monster Island should correct that clear misstatement. I had conducted a pre-interview in which pertinent thing were said that they left out in the recorded interview, so I reminded them of it. And the other stuff, I rephrased and prompted for more, which is standard practice in interviews.
No information or "lines" were given to the speakers -- I was simply trying to make their story make the most sense, prompted them to clarify certain things, and so forth.
You don't like their explanations, or their personalities, fine. But you forget that the whole point of this is to distinguish a minor gambling offense (for which they themselves would acknowledge they are guilty, I'd say) that holds no jail time to being thrown in the slammer for what would essentially be racketeering.
And on the side of "journalistic objectivity" -- you obviously don't understand that KMW would be a media WATCH group, and are pointing out flaws in existing reporting.
To the extent that MAJOR parts of the story are left out of the Korean media's narrative, or there exist outright fabrications, it was important to get their version out -- because the Korean media certainly WON'T be objective enough to include it.
That's the point -- providing overall balance by actively getting the left-out part of the story out there. And that's what KMW did.
"I think they think I'm Russian"
What they mean is "prostitute".
Don't Koreans wager over gostop all the time? Instead of playing the white privilege card, they should have played the "when in rome" card. I don't think there is any culture on earth that doesn't tolerate small groups of friends wagering over cards within the confines of their homes.
mindmetoo, Koreans do get arrested for high-stakes gostop. In one of the blogs on this I cited something I'd written in April describing witnessing a raid where my downstairs neighbor and my landlady were all hauled off in a case very much like the Poker-8's mode of arrest.
Here's the link:
That 연립주택 in our quiet upscale neighborhood was a trippy place sometimes. The woman who lived downstairs began running a high-stakes go-stop operation. The owner of the building — an obese ajumma-going-on-halmŏni whose family you just knew had done something crooked or unethical to keep her so well fed during the Japanese occupation and the war and who thought that yelling at me would make me understand her Korean better — would join the games and end up losing my rent in a few hours.
Anyway, one day when I came home and pushed open the gate, three cops came out of nowhere and physically pushed right by me to rush the first-floor unit and arrest everyone there. Surprisingly, they were not looking for pot-smoking Canadians, yet they were enforcing some law of some kind.
One of the cops rushing by me stopped momentarily and asked me, “Do you live upstairs or downstairs?” “Upstairs,” I told him, and he left me alone.
After bail was settled and they were released and waiting for a court date, I got yelled at for opening the gate. Yeah, it was my fault. ;)
Now if only I could find a way to stereotype all fifty million Koreans on the basis of this story.
I'm such an apologist, I actually went back in time to two months before the Poker-8 were arrested so I could plant that story and make it look like it's not just foreigners who get arrested for at-home gambling.
As I wrote on my own blog where Metropolitician left the same type of comment, part of my rebuttal to your comment would involve me asking about certain facts in the case, but I believe that publicly stating the answers may be detrimental to their case, as was your interview, so I won't. And that might mean I have to end it here.
Metropolitician, I don't believe I ever saw how your detainment in Shinchon ended up. Did it get dropped? Was there a lot of headache involved? I have had enough run-ins with police or the courts that — even when they are on my side — I'd rather not ever have to deal with them.
Consequently, I would understand if you choose not to answer that as well. Even if you put the whole thing out there initially, nobody has a right to know your private details now if you choose not to present them.
||mindmetoo, Koreans do get arrested for high-stakes gostop.||
Sure, as do people in Canada who have obviously turned their domicile or Greek coffee shop into an illegal casino/booze can/etc.
But as I noted, a small group of friends getting together for a low stakes game, be it gostop or poker, does not seem beyond community standards. If this were such a group.
Sorry, in Canada if the cops busted up a game of poker among friends at the cottage over a long weekend and tried to hang gambling charges on them, those cops would be laughed at in the headlines of every newspaper.
mindmetoo:
Sorry, in Canada if the cops busted up a game of poker among friends at the cottage over a long weekend and tried to hang gambling charges on them, those cops would be laughed at in the headlines of every newspaper.
And in Korea if a halmŏni were thrown in jail from grabbing the kochu of a little boy she didn't know, there's be some serious questioning of that propriety as well. Since the high-stakes, advertised-on-Facebook, regular game was NOT in Canada, what's your point?
I did not answer Metropolitician's comment here or on my blog because, as I stated here, doing so would require me to get into details of their case which I fear, were they stated publicly, may be detrimental to their case, as was your interview, so I won't.
But I will ask about this:
And on the side of "journalistic objectivity" -- you obviously don't understand that KMW would be a media WATCH group, and are pointing out flaws in existing reporting.
Pointing out the flaws in existing reporting? You put this up before any reporting existed, so how can that be?
Your problem, which you need to rein in if you want to have any real effect, is that you are histrionic and have no objectivity about your subject matter. In that sense, you're often like those you criticize.
In this case it appears you deliberately downplayed the scope of what they were doing so it would fit more neatly into your agenda of bashing the media that you perceive to be out to make foreigners look menacing. To acknowledge that it was more than "essentially... a poker game" would be to undermine your own angle of foreigners being victimized by an agenda-driven police and the media.
It's not hard for people to see that you do this, and this is one reason why you are greeted with so much skepticism if not outright ridicule (which I do think is unfair sometimes) when you try to whip people up.
||And in Korea if a halmŏni were thrown in jail from grabbing the kochu of a little boy she didn't know, there's be some serious questioning of that propriety as well. Since the high-stakes, advertised-on-Facebook, regular game was NOT in Canada, what's your point?||
My point is in *both* Korea and Canada, low stakes games among friends are tolerated by community standards.
If you'd like to equate the english teacher poker night with a person running a regular illegal game (where the house is likely getting a cut), then you'll need to back that up with evidence.
Whatever happened to the Poker 8?
Were the charges dropped?
Did they strike a plea deal?
Did they go before a judge?
Did the case go to trial?
Were they acquitted?Were they convicted?
Were they fined?
Did they do any prison time?
Was part of their sentence/plea deal/dropped charge agreement that they never speak of it?
Are they rotting in a gulag?
Why did this story burn hot for a few days in July and then suddenly disappear?
What happened to Korea Media Watch? The Poker 8 story seemed to be their last and their sudden ending.
Not sure what happened, I don't follow expat-in-Korea news . . . but I figured someone, somewhere would have shared their story with a blog or media outlet.
Michael Hurt started Korea Media Watch, and while I acknowledge all the hard work he has put into his projects and that he's one of the original big bloggers, it's hard to ignore that he loved to start projects with a lot of fanfare and then abandon them (Korea Sparkle, Korea Media Watch, Seoul Glow, Bomb English).
Brian wrote:
Not sure what happened, I don't follow expat-in-Korea news . . . but I figured someone, somewhere would have shared their story with a blog or media outlet.
Not sure about that. It is very hard to find the answer to these (and truth be told, the same is true in California and Hawaii).
Speaking of Michael Hurt, he needs some good energy sent his way.
it's hard to ignore that he loved to start projects with a lot of fanfare and then abandon them (Korea Sparkle, Korea Media Watch, Seoul Glow, Bomb English).
Hard? Darned near impossible! ;)
Yes, I've read about Michael on Facebook. Tough situation, and I hope he pulls through all right.
But about this story, I haven't even read anything in the usual rumor mills (Dave's, some other sensationalist blogs, the other Korea forums) about this. If somebody has something to say, there is no shortage of outlets available. Maybe those involved just wanted to forget about it and move on (or know they did something wrong and don't want to talk about it). I'm just speculating, I don't know, I haven't followed any gossip in a while.
By the way, good post on Yahae.
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