Jacob of ROK Sojourn passes along some emails concerning English Program in Korea [EPIK], the government program that places native speaker English teachers in Korean public schools. This one is from a recruiter, and in short it says that EPIK will no longer be providing transportation from Incheon to the orientation site, and that teachers will have to front the entire cost of their week-long orientation. This is posted to Dave's ESL Cafe as well:
Airport Arrival Information
February 17th Arrival Information – The EPIK office is going to have a booth set up at the airport between 7:00am – 11:00pm on February 17th. Gone2Korea will also have a number of staff members (Kirk & Sharon) at the airport to assist teachers with the check in and registration process. The shuttle bus service will be available between the hours of 7:30am and 11:00pm.
Teachers who are working for one of the following POE’s should be arriving on the 17th: Busan, Gwangju, Ulsan, Jeonbuk, Gyeongbuk and Gyeongnam. The orientation will take place at Jeonju National University in Jeonju city.
Please refer to the attachment (February 17th - Arrival & Shuttle Bus Details) document for complete details.
February 18th Arrival Information (IMPORTANT) – We regret to inform teachers who are arriving on the 18th that the EPIK office has recently cancelled the shuttle bus and sign-in service at the airport (we have no idea why they cancelled it - sorry). Alternatively, the EPIK office has provided a document which explains how and where teachers need to go in order to get to the orientation site. Gone2Korea is going to have staff (Kirk & Sharon) at the airport between 7:30am – 10:00pm to help teachers out. We are going to coordinate an easily accessible meeting place in the coming week; we’ll also give out some phone numbers for people to use in case they have difficulties finding us. Note: Most signage at Incheon airport is written in English and Korean so you shouldn’t have any difficulties maneuvering the airport.
Teachers who are working for one of the following POE’s should be arriving on the 17th: Incheon, Daejeon, Daegu, Gangwon, Gyeonggi, Jeju and Chungbuk. The orientation will take place at Eulji University in Seongnam (Sungnam) city which is located just outside of Seoul.
Please refer to the attachment (February 18th – Arrival Details & Directions) document for complete details.
Orientation Fees (NEW)
We regret to inform all teachers (for both orientation sites) that EPIK is no longer going to cover all of the costs associated with the arrival and orientation periods. We apologize for the discouraging news but we were just notified of the changes ourselves.
Why are they making teachers pay for some of the costs this semester? We’re not entirely sure but if we had to guess it’s likely because they’ve gone over their budget and cannot afford to cover all the costs this semester. Previously (past semesters) everything was covered so this is a recent change in policy and/or a budget issue. Please refer to the information below to view fees specific to your orientation site/arrival date.
A. EPIK Orientation in Jeonju (Feb. 17~26)
1) Accommodation per day: 22,000won
2) A meal: 5,000won
3) Field trip fee: 20,000won
4) Welcoming Dinner: 25,000won
5) Farewell Dinner: 25,000won
B. EPIK Orientation in Sungnam (Feb. 18~26)
1) Accommodation per day: 20,000won
2) A meal: 5,000won
3) Field trip fee: 20,000won
4) Welcoming Dinner: 25,000won
5) Farewell Dinner: 25,000won
All teachers (February 17th and 18th arrival dates) – All teachers will be provided with two allowance schemes. The first is a settlement allowance of 300,000 won and the second is an entrance allowance of 1.3 million won. Both allowances are in place to help teachers cover the costs they have incurred for airfare and visa related expenses in addition to the new fees which have been outlines above.
· Settlement Allowance – 300,000 Won
· Entrance Allowance – 1,300,000 Won
Bringing enough money with you to get settled – EPIK recommends that all teachers bring 1,000,000 won – 1,500,000 won with them; however, 800,000 won – 1,000,000 won is usually sufficient. Note: It’s always wise to bring a little extra in case some unexpected expenses arise before your first pay day; therefore, if you’re able to bring a little more than the recommended amount then please do so. (Currency converter: http://www.xe.com/)"
If in fact EPIK has gone over budget and is cutting costs, this is certainly the last area they should be doing it. Didn't we just read a couple months ago about a lawmaker talking about the need for government-mandated orientation programs? What sort of first impression is EPIK making when they can't even pick people up at the airport and can't come up with a few hundred dollars to make sure their investments are acclimated and trained?
This email comes out just two weeks before teachers are to fly to Korea. There are no doubt teachers who would find work elsewhere if they knew when they applied that they'd be fronting orientation costs. This sudden decision likely violates at least unwritten agreements---insofar as Koreans even honor these in the first place---and goes against the assumptions teachers made that they'd be provided orientation. This decision would be somewhat palatable if these hidden costs weren't presented at the last possible moment, after arrangements for a year or more abroad had been made and airplane tickets already bought.
Over the course of about a year, public schools in Korea have gone from about the best place to work to the worst. They were always considered more reliable than cram schools (학원) because they were operated by the government, however policy over the past year, and plenty of anecdotal evidence has demonstrated that these jobs are just as risky---perhaps moreso because of increased expectations---than a properly-vetted hagwon. Korean lawmakers and reporters bitch and bitch and bitch about "unqualified" teachers and about the need to bring in higher quality teachers, whatever that means. Many of us have pointed out, as I did in a June 26th Korea Herald article, that Korea doesn't recognized "qualifications" and certainly isn't ready to pay for them, but this takes it to a new level. Not only will recent college graduates not come to Korea---they can't afford the start-up costs associated with public schools---but older, experienced teachers won't choose Korea either because they don't want to travel halfway around the world just to get hassled and swindled.
This move, in tandem with Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education's [SMOE] decision last year to cut 100 native speaker English teacher jobs just days before teachers were to fly here, rightfully perpetuates the stereotype of shady Korean school operators, and further damages Korea's reputation in the eyes of teachers already here and those loooking to come. If South Korea no longer wants to use native speaker English teachers in public schools, why not just come out and fucking say it?
33 comments:
Look, its about time someone countered all this bullshit.
English teachers, even prospective ones, should go on strike because this is bullshit.
Korea seems DETERMINED to fuck with foreigners because no one does (nor can do) anything in return. We should get the word out: DON'T COME TO KOREA.
Don't travel here. This is NOT the place to be. Let people know how they're constantly getting fucked over or will be fucked over. Make it impossible for them to hire new teachers.
Eventually, EPIK and all these other con artists will get the message. There will be less and less s-u-c-k-e-r-s ex-pats coming to Korea and then the government WILL have to take a serious look at this issue.
Its time for everyone there to stop with this: "Yeah, well, Korea's not so bad really, but..." bullshit. If this kinda shit happened over here, there would be strikes. Plain and simple. People wouldn't go to work and demands would be listened to. If we let them walk over us, they will. They'll walk over our faces for any millimetre we give them.
No one's getting the word out. People need to start taking action. Let your friends know: Thinking about teaching English in Asia? DON'T GO TO KOREA.
NB: To all you "netizen" trolls: These are MY opinions. This is ME posting. NOT Brian's. Don't take anything out on him.
@This Is Me Posting: I heartily agree. I've been telling people to think long and hard before deciding on Korea. There are far better places to be teaching nowadays, and with all the financial shit that has been going down lately with the public schools, like this whole "pay for your own orientation" thing, Korea can't even claim to be the best place for folks who have little to no money for starting out.
Stories like this make me happy to work for Gepik.
Hahahhahahahahahahaha!
Worst orientation ever.
You really dont have to go. What are they going to do? Fire you?
This will obviously be the most orienting experience of their lives.
Jeffery Hodges
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It's all about supply and demand. Now that more teachers are coming to Korea, they feel like they can spend less money on them.
Sounds like the orientation isn't important to pay for, so it's not important enough to attend. Call the recruiter, ask nicely to meet you at the airport, and find your way to your apartment. Enjoy your vacation.
On the flip side, I can't believe EPIK would flip the bird so intentionally 'just to screw with you'. If it's all about the money / perceived lack of budget, that's fine. What we need now is an explanation - to both the teachers you're trying to hire and to the parents who expect perfection. Please explain to the parents why their children couldn't get a good education at their PUBLIC school because there 'wasn't enough money'. If indeed that was the problem...
@TIMP: It goes the same for the experienced teachers already here, along with virtually Korean teacher I've ever met. There's always 'one more thing' that needs to be done, whether it's explicitly in your contract or not. Not complying can make your life harder...
Good luck with the strike. Always another body willing to fill your shoes. Jobs are tough to come by these days...watch the door on your way out.
okay, well... After 3.5 years here, I'm also finished with the teaching racket(..."racket" is a good word to use). But the fact of the matter is that Korea doesn't suck THAT much. And "this is Me", discouraging TRAVEL is not the way to encourage foreign relations and reforms. Honestly.
This makes me sad. If you have to pay for it, it should be optional. If you have to do it, then they should pay reasonable related costs like transportation and lodging (after all, they aren't starting your salary until the contract date). This is the way training works in the US. People only pay for training if they're getting something out of it (a degree, certificate, or knowing they'll hear from particular speakers). They would be better off not providing training and simply requiring a TEFL certificate or the equivalent.
37,000 a DAY to hear "Kimchee is spicy" and see the list of things Koreans do that annoy non-Koreans? If that isn't a big ol' middle finger, I don't know what is.
Sounds more like the recruiter trying to pocket the money. Wouldn't be the first time recruiters/schools have tried to gyp new (and therefore totally clueless) teachers. Try asking for your pension money.
And anyway, they'll replace all teachers with robots soon.
http://joji1909.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/klaatu-barada-nikto/
The statements about the upcoming EPIK orientation in this post are 100% false. There WILL be a shuttle bus from Incheon International Airport to Eulji University on the 18th, and only teachers with dependents are required to pay any fees for events at the orientation. Everyone else pays for nothing except a medical exam. This has been confirmed directly by the national EPIK office. I urge readers of this blog to use their best judgment in evaluating the contents of this site in the future. Also, I humbly ask Brian to do more research before posting such rumors and hearsay, and to please post a correction to this misinformation as soon as possible. I don’t mean to sound self-righteous, but I think this rumor has caused a lot of undue stress among incoming teachers. For more info, contact EPIK directly: www.epik.go.kr.
Here's something I received via email a little while ago:
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It has just come to our attention that there has been some misinformation circulating around several popular blogs and forums regarding the EPIK 2010 Orientation. We sent an email to several of our recruiters detailing the costs of the Orientation for their dependants only. One of our recruiting agencies misinterpreted the email and assumed that all participants would be responsible for the costs and continued to inform their applicants of the changes. We are working hard to correct this mistake and assure incoming EPIK teachers that they are responsible only for their personal costs (souvenirs, extra food, extracurricular activity costs).
Just for clarification, there also will be a shuttle bus from Incheon to the Orientation venue at Eulji University on the 18th February. Again, this information was intended only to be given to future teachers' with dependants and not for general dissemination.
After viewing your most recent post, we are alarmed and concerned by your response and respectfully request that you note the correction: EPIK teachers are not responsible for these costs, and it simply was a mis-communication error that we are fixing as quickly as possible.
If you have any concerns or questions, feel free to call or email.
Regards,
Wendy Couch
Native English Coordinator
Seoul, Korea
+82.2.3668.1401
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So that sounds better.
David, there's no need for readers to use "their best judgment in evaluating the contents of this site in the future," considering my record is pretty impeccable. I think my word is worth a little more than that of an anonymous commenter. It's perhaps the recruiters who need to be more careful, and EPIK perhaps should vet more carefully who it chooses to work with.
Nonetheless, the title will be edited accordingly.
If the recruitment company that sent this out (gone2korea) is in fact wrong, then they should be barred from working with EPIK to place applicants in the future.
This is not a minor fuck up. Where the communication broke down needs to be determined. Likewise, how could a recruitment company get confused by this? This is a huge deal for people already committing thousands of their own dollars up front to come over.
Despite reading the e-mail by Brian, I still don't believe it. The e-mail sent out by gone2korea is too specific in too many ways for it to be a simple mix up about dependents.
Either there is massive confusion in the EPIK office and they don't even know what they are doing in two weeks about paying for the orientation, or it is a well designed hoax by a recruitment company.
I do not believe it is a simple misunderstanding.
One of our recruiting agencies misinterpreted the email
-So you have English teachers being recruited by people who can't understand written English. How typical. Get the bums in the seats, make it look like a school, take the profits. Way to go
David:
You do sound self-righteous.
Consider this. It is EASY to believe this is true (even if it isn't) and maybe you should be asking yourself why that is.
Look at how 100 new teachers were treated last year. Being told at literally the last minute that "hey we don't need you."
Look at how foreigners get treated. THAT is why it is easy to believe this is true (even if it isn't.)
I have been here for 9 years. I have seen Korean employers fuck foreigners over enough in so many ways that it would not surprise me in the least if this was true and EPIK was simply trying to save face.
EPIK does have a lot of explaining to do, because what they're saying now and what the recruiter sent out in an email a few days ago is worlds apart.
As another recruiting working with EPIK, we received the same information that Gone2Korea would have received.
Had Gone2Korea taken the time to thoroughly read the information they received and not jumped to conclusions (or even just asked EPIK if they were unsure), then this would not have happened. A document was sent to recruiting agents about those costs and the file name was "dependent costs.doc". That was pretty clear to us what the intention was.
The transportation to the orientation venue? at the top of the document sent to recruiters it clearly stated "for domestic applicants"...therefore not referring to those arriving by plane at Incheon.
Gone2Korea: this has really damaged the reputation of recruiters, EPIK and cause a lot of confusion, panic and hesitation for a lot of teachers who are eager to leave for Korea in a couple weeks.
Brian: How about a little fact checking before posting articles and using such insulting headlines.
Flint: It was not EPIK who miscalculated the number of teachers they needed to hire last August- that was the SMOE. In fact, EPIK stepped up and worked with many of our applicants in that situation to get them last minute openings in other areas. They really bent over backwards to help and work to keep the reputation of public schools.
For anyone reading this- please take this incident as a reflection of Gone2Korea and not EPIK.
I think this much ado about nothing. What have caused many of you to be so negative? If things are so bad here, I suggest that you go elsewhere. Maybe you should try Thailand or Vietnam? (Oh, right, they don't pay enough so you can pay back those ghastly student loans. Or the conditions there aren't as good as Korea. Or the schools there that do pay a decent salary wouldn't give you the time of day for lack of teaching qualifications.
I have had a very positive experience at my public school. If you come to Korea, you can do worse than the public school. I would not ever consider working at a hagwon, even if my life depended on it.
I was hired directly by the public school where I presently work.I get my pay ON TIME. I have a nice apartment. My co-teachers and the other school employees are cool to me. I get ample vacation. And best of all my students are terrific.
Working for a public school isn't perfect but your chances to be cheated and wronged are less there than at a hagwon.
If true, it is terrible that EPIK teachers have to pay for their training. Many of them are fresh out of college and don't have a dime to their name. But one should never go anywhere without having sufficient funds before you get your first salary.
And many of the teachers who come here do not care a damn about professional development. Going to a KOTESOL teaching workshop which occurs on a Saturday afternoon once a month for two hours is too much for their system to take. The idea of paying $200 for a simple online course, just to give one a bit of a clue about what teaching is all about, is rejected outright.
(Then they wonder why they are not rehired. Just handing out worksheets every class just doesn't hack it.)
Since many teachers here don't even invest a dime in their own development, what is the harm in making them pay something towards their professional development before they leave Korea? Maybe some will get a clue that you must pay sometimes to be professionally developed.
OK, now that the truth / correction has been received, it's time to respect that fact that a mistake was made by a recruiter (shock of a lifetime), not EPIK.
It's worth noting we've all missed a word in a sentence every now and then - even in nicer blog posts, magazines, newspaper articles, and the like. Misunderstanding or misreading ONE WORD (not seeing or understanding 'dependents') explains how the problem could have happened.
The only difference is the scale - that this e-mail went out to however many people got everyone's panties in a bunch. People make mistakes - anyone remember that old saying about erring is human and forgiving divine?
I think Keith makes some very valid points ... difficult to hear, perhaps, but valid nonetheless.
There were certainly times I felt mistreated by my employers in Korea; sometimes this may have been true, and other times I may have simply lost perspective. But nothing restores one's perspective like returning to the current job market in North America. Don't get me wrong, I am where I want to be right now, so it's worth it. But sometimes a person needs to be reminded that the world doesn't owe them a nice, rent-free apartment, or a free plane ticket, or several weeks paid vacation ... so if you want those things, you may have to put up with some bullshit in return. If those things aren't worth the bullshit to you, then perhaps you should leave Korea, like I did ... just keep in mind that the grass on the other side of the fence isn't all that green up close, either. Life is full of hassles, in any country. If you can't come to terms with that, then you won't be happy no matter where you are.
@ Keith.
I made $25 per hour working in HCMC, that's more than I ever made per hour working in Korea. And guess what? The Viets are a lot nicer than Koreans.
Yeah, I only made about $1200 US a month in Nonthaburi, Thailand, but the people are nicer and the place is much more beautiful than Korea. The money is less, but living there is worth it.
I was NEVER not paid or ripped off by any of the academies I worked for. I can't say that about the slicky boys I worked for in Korea.
Koreans have a history of dishonesty when it comes to this kind of thing. They did pay 500 mil for the Noble Prize remember.
This Is Me Posting has it right. Do everything you can to inform people about Korea and dissuade them from going there.
They brought this on themselves. Like I said before, look at the way they treat "mixed blood" Koreans and that will tell you a lot.
I'm almost embarrassed to become an EPIK teacher this year because of the disrespect to Koreans I have seen evident in the blogging of so many current teachers. Bryan; David shouldn't have mentioned the appearance of self-righteousness, because that is the easiest way to be accused of it. The truth is, he is correct. Publishing an error of this magnitude requires more of an apology than, 'I guess I was misinformed, maybe EPIK and the recruiters are responsible for my libel.' The thing is, it takes a lot to apologize. My concern is this - why not address the source before printing second-hand info? I have emailed back and forth several times with several EPIK employees, and all have been extremely helpful. I have no doubt that a 1 minute email to Miss Couch or Miss Kim would have alleviated all doubt before publishing hear-say.
GrenWhit, if you're going to come here and give me a hard time, at least spell my name right.
Both EPIK and the recruiter are fine with how I handled things in my post and in my emails. I don't see any disrespect to Koreans here other than the disrespect the English education industry has earned.
I just caught your follow-up post which included an actual apology. Sorry.
No problem. I screwed up and jumped the gun. I'm disappointed in my sources, but also disappointed that I didn't do my homework.
Speaking of Jacob at ROK Sojourn, his blog's been gone for the past couple of days. Have you any news of him? Thanks.
Not sure. A couple months ago he was talking about removing some of his posts, and exposing less personal information online, and starting a private blog for his friends and family, so maybe this is in line with that. I'd notice he hadn't updated in a while.
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