Wednesday, September 1, 2010

Don't bother with a Korean Templestay, new book says.

The new book 101 Places Not To See Before You Die unfortunately includes two destinations in South Korea. Last year on this blog I asked "Should you see Korea before you die?" in response to news from a reader that the country was snubbed from the lengthier book 1,000 Places to See Before You Die. The question generated a lot of responses, with two of the most talked-up places in South Korea being Jeju's lava tubes and the DMZ. The tunnel at the latter is one of the places not worth seeing, according to author Catherine Price. From the NPR write-up:
She expected it to be a "Berlin Wall-type thing" and was surprised to find "it's actually more of a sidewalk curb" with North Korea on one side and South Korea on the other with "soldiers on either side just staring at each other."

The tunnel is an organized tourist attraction — visitors are told to store their personal items in cubbies, don helmets and step onto a little train. Price says she was "lulled into complacency because it kind of seems like a Disneyland ride." But that didn't last long. "All of a sudden, with no explanation, they take you down into this narrow, claustrophobic tunnel blasted into solid rock."

Lest you mistakenly think the tunnel was designed with an invasion in mind ... think again! North Korea insists it's just a coalmine.

Gee, I'm sorry the goddamn Demilitarized Zone between two at-war countries didn't tickle your tourist fancy. She'll be glad to know it's gearing up to be "the next hot spot for overseas tourists," according to the government's official webpage.

Also making her list of 101 underwhelming spots is a South Korean templestay, more bad news for the Korea Tourism Organization. I actually had planned a lengthier post on my templestay experience for later this fall, to coincide with the one-year anniversary of it, though I guess I can speak on it a little now. Here are a few excerpts from the book, via NPR:
In theory, an overnight stay at a Korean temple sounds like the perfect activity for anyone struggling to escape the pressures of modern life. You'll meditate, you'll learn about Buddhism, you'll go vegetarian. Concerns and cares will slip away as you drift into a blissful state of conscious awareness.

Unfortunately, that's not what it's like.

. . .
When my friend and I arrived — several hours late, thanks to trouble reading the bus schedule — the Templestay coordinator introduced herself in fluent English and led us to the room where we'd be staying. It was empty except for sleeping pads, blankets, and small pillows stuffed with plastic beads. After we'd dropped off our bags, she handed us our clothes for the weekend: two identical extra-large sets of baggy gray pants and vests, along with sun hats and blue plastic slippers. We looked like we'd stepped out of a propaganda poster for Maoist China.

I'd assumed that most temple life involved sitting still and cultivating enlightenment, but instead our first activity was community work time. Clad in our Mao suits, we followed the coordinator to the garden, where eight other Templestay guests squatted between raised rows of dirt, piles of potatoes scattered around them. They gave us hostile glances as we approached — thanks to our late arrival, they'd been forced to harvest potatoes for three hours in eighty-degree heat. I couldn't blame them for their animosity; if I'd been digging in the dirt while some assholes took the slow route to Ganghwa Island, I'd be pretty pissed off too. But such negativity seemed to go against the spirit of the retreat. I adjusted my sun hat and joined them in the field.

. . .
A highly choreographed process of place-setting, serving, and eating, it included a final inspection by a head monk to see if our bowls were clean. "You do not want to disappoint him," said the coordinator. "Doing so would reflect poorly."

She then walked us through what would take place during the meal ceremony, including a final cleansing: we were to take a piece of pickled radish and use it to swab our dishes. This caught the attention of a young Canadian woman.

"I'm sorry to interrupt," she said. "But how is wiping my bowl with a radish going to make it clean? What about germs?"

"We fill the bowls with very hot water," said the coordinator, sidestepping the question. "So when you use the radish, the bowl is already very clean."

"Is it, like, a hygienic radish?" asked the Canadian woman.

"Yes," said the coordinator. "It is a hygienic radish."

Things went downhill from there. Exhausted and cranky, one by one we began refusing to play monk. If one of the whole points of Buddhism was to cultivate acceptance, why, I asked, did we have to go through such an elaborate meal ceremony?

Much more at the excerpt and in her 2006 piece on Korean templestays for the New York Times.
[T]he point of the temple stay is not, as the pictures on its Web site might make it seem, to lounge next to a brook nibbling crackers as you consider what it means to reach nirvana. The point is to live like a monk. And monks, it turns out, keep strict schedules, are vegetarian and spend a lot of time silently meditating in positions that can become, quickly and without much warning, incredibly uncomfortable for those unused to them.

My templestay in rural Jeollanam-do early last winter was also quite different from my expectations, as I'll write in further detail later. I was expecting something simple and escetic---which is really counter to many of the temples I've visited in Korea---something rather like Price's experience, but instead found good meals, comfortable sleeping quarters, and plenty of tea and snacks.

I didn't realize at the time, though, that there are a number of different templestay programs available, some of them rough and rigid, others comfortable and serene. I have no complaints about my short stay, and was pleased to spend a weekend in very rural Korea, actually seeing stars and hearing . . . nothing, true rarities in South Korea. Furthermore it was relaxing in spite of the language barrier: unlike the few programs marketed to foreign guests, this one was conducted in Korean for the benefit of domestic tourists.

With her book Price "decided to create an antidote," according to the introduction,
a list of places and experiences that you don’t need to worry about missing out on. I called upon travel-loving friends, family and, in some cases, complete strangers, to tell me about overhyped tourist sites, boring museums, stupid historical attractions and circumstances that can make even worthwhile destinations miserable.

Some entries on the list are unquestionably unappealing, like a field strewn with decomposing bodies, or fan hours at the Las Vegas porn convention. Some depend on context—Pamplona’s a very different city from the perspective of a bull. Some are just good stories, albeit ones that are more fun to read about than to experience firsthand.

In closing, I'm not sure it's fair to criticize that particular templestay program for being too hard and labor-intensive, for at least in the western imagination---and contrary to my experience---that's how Asian monks live. In addition, the point of wiping the bowl with a slice of cabbage isn't to clean and sanitize it, but to cultivate mindful eating and to eliminate the food waste we take for granted in our lives. If you get to a point where you start fighting with a monk, I'd suggest you're the one with the issues, not the organizers.

If you are looking for something bad to say about the templestay program, I guess you could choose "overhyped tourist sites," and the "overhyped tourist site" tag is something you could really apply to a lot of South Korea, if on the inside looking out. In spite of haughty language and lofty goals, local tourism authorities have shown difficulty marketing attractions to foreigners, to consider their target audience when creating foreign-language material, and to place the interests of potential visitors ahead of the image of the country they'd like to project. But, I suspect few would actually come to South Korea for a templestay, and since most of the foreigners who participate are ones already living in Korea, I'd bet they'd find it an interesting experience, if not a terribly authentic or comfortable one.

25 comments:

Breda said...

I had a great experience at a templestay, which may have been the same one she attended. I hope her book succeeds in keeping other people like her away.

Brian said...

Good one.
I'll bet there's a lot in South Korea to get professional tourists annoyed.

Brian said...

Good one.
I'll bet there's a lot in South Korea to get professional tourists annoyed.

ZenKimchi said...

I read this when it first came out, and the more I read about it, this girl sounded like someone who traveled the world but wasn't suited to go far from her own backyard. She's the typical person that everyone hates on the tour bus because she wants everything to be how she expects it to be.

I also thought it was bad timing for this to come out for me since I'll be speaking in New York on the 20th about Korean Buddhist temple cuisine--where they'll likely also promote temple stays.

Charles Montgomery said...

ZK

My issue with templestays as tourism isn't so much the experience (though I'd personally never do it as I love my sleep too much), but the question of how effective is advertising templestays?

Really, how many tourists will it take to fill up the templestay progams? Probably far fewer than could go to Gyeongju and see the Silla empire..

I just see it as an inherently limited program.

Vespasian said...

Having lived in Korea now for two years and starting my third, I can't think of anything I would recommend to people back home.

I haven't been to the DMZ yet, but I will go as I'm a history buff.

I haven't done a temple stay as neither Korean cuisine nor Buddhism interest me.

People like it, great, but I think if people are really honest its hard to compare Korea in tourist terms with such nearby locales as Japan and China.

But then again perhaps I'm just one of those 'tourists' who should never leave my backyard.

3gyupsal said...

It's really a point of view with the temple stay stuff. If you are a martial artist temple stays at martial arts temples can be pretty great....and painful. If you are interested in Buddhism, temple stays really do help you to see what a Buddhist life is like. But if you are neither of those things, then don't go to a temple expecting a Hilton.

3gyupsal said...

BTW, the D.M.Z. is not a tourist destination. I have never been there either, and I don't really ever want to go. I don't want to be reminded of my own mortality like that.

kushibo said...

Breda wrote:
I hope her book succeeds in keeping other people like her away.

Summed up nicely. I wrote up something on this a few days ago, and noted that it wasn't just Korea where her snark-over-substance, don't-bother-to-do-homework-before-you-go work ethic made her sound like an incompetent: She essentially says the famed Blarney Stone in Ireland is worth missing because of how disgusting it would be to kiss something kissed by hundreds of thousands before you, which prompted the Blarney Castle marketing staff to angrily inform her that she spread disinformation about their site.

The Irish are the Koreans of Europe, you know.

kushibo said...

3gyupsal, the DMZ is an excellent place to visit, for the history, understanding the mindset and the propaganda, etc., etc. In that sense, it's a bit like Pearl Harbor.

I've brought a number of visitors there from Japan and the US, and all of them were glad they went.

Gomushin Girl said...

This woman seems to have expected a spa experience, rather than a temple stay. Perhaps she should just catch the next showing of Eat, Pray, Love instead of writing travel guides. She certainly seems to hold the act of traveling in great disdain. . .
I would actually consider the Templestays one of Korea's more marketable experiences. They've got lots to recommend them - lots of locations around the country, stays focused on particular interests (martial arts, tea, meditation, etc.), not much in the way of a time committment, and being a unique experience that's hard to find elsewhere.
As far as I know, you also don't need to fill up a particular number of slots, and there's a really impressive number of participating temples. So yeah, while it's not going to match the hoards of golden week tourists decending on Gyeongju, it's still a very worthwhile program, and one that is apparently quite successful.

Alex said...

I went to the DMZ, did a temple stay (at Beomosa in Busan), and loved both. The temple stay was exhausting (though we didn't do 3 hours of gardening in the heat) but it felt really realistic and was a good cultural insight. It's not too much to ask people to live like a monk for a day or two--though I will admit that afterward I took a bus directly to a jimjilbang for a massage.

It really just sounded like the writer didn't do their homework about what to expect. Everything I did met my (and exceeded) my expectations.

Chris in South Korea said...

OK, time to chime in here...

Doing research when traveling often leads to disappointment. I would rather be pleasantly surprised by what I do see than disappointed when the picture in my head doesn't match the real deal.

If there's one thing these two experiences have in common, it's the relative lack of control you have during your time there. DMZ? You're bussed around from point A to point B, told what to see, what to do, etc. The templestay? Same thing. It should be pointed out that most templestays are different - the one I participated in had no communal work element.

One last thought: 'Professional tourist'? Where do I sign up for that job? I have experience.

Chris in South Korea said...

I should note that I actually do some research and homework before traveling - enough to get directions, find the place, learn a little about it, etc. - not enough to form much of an opinion about it, but enough to get there and form my own.

Sophie said...

The woman who wrote this sounds very annoying. Sounds like she should have looked into what her temple-stay would involve so she wouldn't have been disappointed. Can't believe her incredibly insensitive comments about the DMZ either. And what the hell is a 'Berlin Wall-type thing'? Silly woman.

I haven't been to the DMZ but I plan to go as I am a bit of a history buff. I have also not been on a temple stay but I did spend my 2 weeks of summer vacation travelling around South Korea, from Sokcho to Jeju, and I saw a lot of beautiful, interesting places. I think Korea does have a lot of amazing tourist sights and it's a shame that most people never see them. Maybe Korea just doesn't market itself very well though articles like this woman's really aren't going to help.

P.S. I wouldn't recommend the main lava tube cave on Jeju though (Manjangul) - it was dark and wey and very poorly lit so difficult to actually see any of the lava formations. The Yeongmeori Coast is spectacular though.

Anonymous said...

I can join the ranks of the expats who have enjoyed a pleasant temple stay experience. I actually lived very close to a temple for a couple years and had some great exchanges with the monks.

But I think what some Korea-pats are missing in her critique is the off-putting officiousness that often occurs in Korean host/guest relations.

This occurs even in temple stay situations. It takes a while for people not used to the Korean way of doing things to realize that sometimes things get super organized with a program that you are expected to join in on with the right spirit. Like a EPIK culture tour I went on when they had us all get into tae-kwon-do outfits and join in the fun! Sure it can be great if you're up for it, but it's awkward to say, "umm, nah i'm just gonna look around on my own." That's not considered being a "good guest".

In fact, Koreans are often turned off by the lack of that type of thing when traveling abroad. I met some very disappointed Koreans who had been shown Angkor Wat in Cambodia without some kind of big program involved in the experience... It wasn't enough for them to be left on their own to wander through the relics.

Some people may like to stroll through the Louvre or the Smithsonian and sit near a painting or an exhibit and just chill and contemplate, there are others who want the full-monty, the guide, the detailed descriptions, the pack of tourists, the pace of the tour, etc.

The "highly choreographed process" of it all (as she put it) is what turned her and many others off to the Korean tour experience. Of course Koreans are trying to give you something special (that foreigners can and should appreciate) and their hearts are in the right place, but it's often a drag...

Gomushin Girl said...

@ Willy
But templestays are pretty explicit in terms of what the purpose of the stay is. You can't go on what is outlined as an experience of life in a Korean temple and then be all pissed that you're actually expected to do something. If I go to the Louvre, I may have a choice of going on a guided tour or meandering on my own, but I still expect to look at pictures. What you're talking about are prearranged "culture tours" in which you had no say, because it was in fact part of an orientation. But we're talking about a woman who chose to go do a templestay, and then whine because it wasn't Bali in Eat, Pray, Love.

Anonymous said...

"But templestays are pretty explicit in terms of what the purpose of the stay is. You can't go on what is outlined as an experience of life in a Korean temple and then be all pissed that you're actually expected to do something."

I agree. I'd say that applies to anything. If you go to medical school and get pissed off about all the blood, you're an idiot.

But temple stay experiences are not all the same in terms of the experiences they offer, and there is not always an explicit description of the program (esp. in foreign languages, which is unnecessary of course unless those are the tourists you want to attract). Also I think I (and several others) mentioned the positive experiences they had and the differences in the way the stays are organized. Many noted that their stays were quite different from hers.

The "Eat, Love, Pray" comment you made (twice) is certainly funny, but I didn't see anywhere that an "Eat, Love, Pray" experience was what she was expecting while tossing aside an explicitly detailed brochure that outlined the whole program, as you suggest.

If this woman had neglected to research what was going to be a "highly choreographed process" and then complained about it, then sure she's an idiot.

But ultimately I think my comment on the off-putting officiousness that often occurs in Korean host/guest relations still stands. Should Korea change to accommodate picky foreigners? Absolutely not! Forget them, but then don't keep striving to be some kind of super-duper world tourist attraction and complain when it doesn't happen. That's being as stupid as the situation you describe where the tourist neglects to look into the tour experience. If Korea is trying to attract foreign tourists then perhaps doing some research on what they'd like - and that not all of them want the same things (i.e. options!) - might be a good idea. So this type of criticism is useful.

Anonymous said...

A final note:

Take a look at Price's actual NYT write up of her temple stay experience: "In South Korea, Immersion in Buddhist Austerity" -
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/travel/26journeys.html

It turns out to be a very thoughtful and objective piece; and ultimately a very positive and comprehensive review of temple stay programs in Korea which is bound to attract even more tourists and attention to Korea.

Darth Babaganoosh said...

She essentially says the famed Blarney Stone in Ireland is worth missing because of how disgusting it would be to kiss something kissed by hundreds of thousands before you

She probably shouldn't visit Oscar Wilde's grave, either. The thing is covered in lipstick kisses by the end of every day. I didn't bother kissing it myself, but it makes for a cool photo.

Peter said...

In the quotes given here, Price certainly comes off as the stereotypical "ugly tourist". Her criticisms seem to consist of shallow, knee-jerk reactions, telling us what she didn't like or wasn't impressed by. That alone hardly justifies telling the rest of us to avoid those places.

But then again, I don't like the idea of a book like this in the first place -- it's just so negative. I firmly believe that there's value in travelling anywhere new. Travelling is, and should be, a bit of a crapshoot: you never know for sure if you're going to fall in love with a place, or be disappointed by it, until you go. Taking yourself out of your element and losing some level of control over your circumstances is, in my opinion, the whole point of travelling. If you'd rather get exactly what you want with no surprises or discomfort, maybe you should stick to all-inclusive resorts.

Bottom line: just because templestays or the DMZ weren't satisfying for Price, doesn't mean they can't be satisfying for other travelers.

Ma Pae said...

Heartily recommend Seong gwang sa, not far from the Nagang Folk village.
A trip back into time and well worth the peace, tranquility, and silence among the monks in training, not to mention excellent vegetarian dishes.

Anonymous said...

Temples in Korea are located in very good view point of mountains. So I suggest to visit and stay in temples if possible.

kushibo said...

I miss posts like this, Brian.

Brian said...

Thank you, sir. Hard to believe it's been over three years since I left.