Wednesday, December 2, 2009

In the Korea Herald, writing about mandatory culture classes for foreign teachers.

In the Korea Herald today writing about a proposal by a politician to make culture courses mandatory for foreign English teachers. An excerpt:
When Cho talks about "better knowledge of Korea" and "Korea's culture and practices" what does he mean? He might be surprised to learn that public school teachers often undergo mandatory orientation sessions and seminars already, though unfortunately for them they focus not on teacher training but rather, well, on "Korea's culture and practices." When I attended a week-long orientation in 2006, I sat through many lengthy presentations on topics such as musical instruments, holidays, and funerals, and through several redundant talks on "Korean culture" reminding me that kimchi is spicy and that Korea has four distinct seasons. There was nothing, though, on lesson planning, classroom management, or on the expectations of NSETs. Anecdotal evidence shows my experience is not unique, and that teachers consider sessions poorly-planned, impractical, and condescending.

A lot has been written about these courses already. I did a post on November 26th
However, that "most foreign teachers in the nation do not have enough of an understanding about Korea's culture and practices"---if you want to even say that's the case---is due, I think, to the ambiguous role native speaker English teachers play in Korea. No planning has gone into how we are used, there is no curriculum in place for us to follow, little to no cooperation with and from Korean English teachers, no ultimate goals or vision of success. It's easy for things to be chalked up to misunderstandings, but that neglects to account for schools having no idea what to do with us, and with coteachers often not understanding how to use a native speaker English teacher. Differences in culture and teaching styles need to be approached from both sides. A classroom where students are talkative---if a little boisterous---might be considered poor classroom management by a Korean teacher or administrator, while a teacher-centered classroom that is quiet through the use of corporal punishment might be considered a success.

and there are threads on Dave's ESL Cafe and ExpatKorea. Both those threads will given an overview of teacher opinion to the plan, which, truth be told, was only reported by KBS. Kang Shin-who, the worst journalist in Korea's English-language media, covered it the next day, writing that "Foreign Teachers Unenthusiastic Over Culture Course," even though the president of ATEK says right there in the goddamn article
"This is a great idea, if it's done right."

Here is a quick overview of comments to Dave's; from isthisreally:
I think they'd be better off providing actual teacher training than teaching me how to pour a drink for my boss.

from thefarns:
I think that most newbies would volunteer for the courses if they were offered. However, I don't have confidence they would be practical, and it sounds to me like a money grab for somebody.

From VanIslander:
Most times I speak to my coworkers or korean adult students about some aspect of korean history I learned about in my travels (e.g., the Japanese forts on the east coast, some with stone walls mostly intact going down to the sea) or some place I visited (e.g., Bogildo where a famous artist spent 10 years and wrote poetry on stone or the village near Hadong where the great Korean novel Toji/Land was written and a yearly festival honors) I CONSTANTLY GET BLANK STARES AND COMMENTS LIKE 'I DON'T KNOW'.

From JohnFlory, referring to Kang's incorrect statistic about E-2 visa holders:
If they're free and convenient why not? But I think Kang sabotaged this article, trying cause outrage among the Korean readership, first with the bogus statistic, and second, with the supposed cultural hostility of English teachers, quoted by exactly one teacher who was opposed to the idea.

From Cerberus:
Almost everyone here that works in a Korean public school for e.g. picks up on various aspects of Korean culture much faster and more in depth than anything that could be explained by a course. Besides, the so called "traditional Korean culture" that is always talked about by the older set and in such courses bears little relevance to today's younger Korea which is all about bbali, bbali, plastic surgery, K-pop, and other aspects of a modernistic and consumerist/materialistic society with a healthy touch of group think and tribalism mixed in.

And fermentation:
This wouldn't be a bad idea if it wasn't run the Korean government.

Browse the rest on your own.

There are many points I couldn't get to in today's Herald piece, and Ulsan Online hit on one of them:
A good number of foreigners I’ve met during my tenure here, some I even call friends, have desperately needed some form of cultural training. Or at the very least some manners classes.

That is a good point. I won't say "a good number" or "most" English teachers do one thing or another, but we've all met people who lack the maturity or professionalism to be a teacher. But would week-long culture courses do anything for these people? I'll just quote my comment to his post:
When the bulk of the NSETs you hire are fresh out of college and don’t have much job experience, let alone teaching experience, the potential for moronic behavior and insensitivity is high. But then again, some of the worst teachers I’ve met here haven’t been 22-year-olds, but have been in their thirties, forties, and above, some even with the advanced “qualifications” so touted.

I think a lot of this needs to start during the hiring process. If you’re interviewing somebody on the phone—if you even bother interviewing them at all—and they don’t display any eagerness to teach in Korea and work in the system, then don’t hire them. More importantly, if they don’t display any eagerness to LEARN, then don’t hire them. Perhaps it’s time for the industry to grow up beyond being a place for a year of “cultural experiences,” or whatever, as most recruiters currently advertise.

That goes back to the quality versus quantity dichotomy, and of course Korea has opted for quantity. It has nothing to do with "qualifications" or an understanding of culture, but with maturity and a fitness for the job. A lot of bad apples could be weeded out, excuse the mixed metaphors, by a more stringent interview process. I'm not talking about a five-minute interview in broken English at the embassy before getting a visa, I'm talking about employers finding candidates ready to teach, learn, and live in Korea.

In that comment and in the Herald article I made reference to how recruiters advertise for jobs, and I make the connection between their considering Korea to be a place to travel, and the treatment of teachers as tourists by administrators. Looko at the recruiter Park English, for example, as I did in May; here's how they advertise:
Why Korea?
-Annual salary of US $24-35K at 30 hrs/wk
-Renewable 12-month contract
-Gain international experience while enriching students lives
-Safe, modern country with the highest investment in private education in the world
-Intriguing language, rich culture and central location for continued travel in Asia
-Great ongoing positions available year-round
-FREE furnished housing, FREE round-trip airfare, paid holidays, health insurance coverage, etc.
-Save up to $15K/year

I get that not everybody comes to Korea simply to teach, but when twentysomethings are attracted with ads like this, can you really bitch and moan about "qualifications"?

Another point I left on the cutting room floor was to question who would be organizing these sessions, and who would decide what's taught? Because if it's anything like the meetings I've sat through, it would be thrown together last-minute, with a Korean English teacher forced to read off the powerpoint for forty-minutes. And seeing the "cultural tips" that have come out so far, I'm not encouraged. These sessions must be organized by, and organized for, native speaker English teachers, and must be led almost entirely by experienced teachers who know the NSET experience.

The original KBS article on Cho's plan was only five sentences long, so there's a lot left to the imagination. I suspect what may be motivating Cho is foreigners not understanding Korea's education culture, and how to behave in school. We commonly make fun of "misunderstandings" that arise when contracts are changed or ignored, or get bent out of shape with last-minute changes, or are outspoken about overtime or our apartments, and so forth. We also struggle with making ourselves relevant and useful in school, trying to teach spoken English to a class of 40, trying to cope with co-teachers who don't come to class, and trying to deal with a reality different from our expectations based on the job ads. Forget about kimchi, this is the stuff we need to learn about. Walter Foreman brought up some good points in a comment on Monday:
With all the discussion that's been going on surrounding the proposed mandatory Korean culture classes for English instructors, I've started revisiting some of the cultural awareness information already available for English teachers in Korea. One area that struck me as being of particular importance is the low context/high context difference between the two languages (and thereby cultures).

As an example of this difference, ATEK's "The English Teacher's Guide to Korea" recounts the story of the teacher coming to Korea who didn't know enough to actually get a visa with his visa issuance number. Said teacher was then upset with the employer for not passing on sufficient information when he arrived in Korea without a visa. Said employer was upset with the teacher for not having sufficient information.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons for a perceived failure by NESTs in the Korean public school system. The schools/school boards expect the incoming teachers to know what to do without being told and the incoming teachers expect to be told what to do.

Which is why I wrote, revisiting in today's Herald piece a theme I bring up all the time:
The word he uses in his title is "practical," and the orientation sessions mandated thus far have been anything but. And what's "practical," what's vital for native-speaker English teachers, is an understanding of the Korean classroom and how they fit into it. I've written numerous times that most of the challenges that accompany NSETs are due to the lack of planning and support they receive and to the ambiguous role they fill in the system, and any new training session needs to address these concerns.

36 comments:

Exit86 said...

Well-written KH article.
Now, how can we get it into the K. language papers?

fattycat said...

Good article :)

B_Wagner said...

Exit86 - on the money...

Great article just the same though. Nice work Brian.

Peter said...

Great work on the article, Brian.

I think it's worth pointing out that simply having experienced NSETs give a cultural orientation won't automatically make it better. During my first year at a Korean public school, I sat through a weekend of talks put on by a private company hired by the school board, with speakers who were mostly experienced NSETs ... except that their experience was seemingly all IN JAPAN, not Korea, and in cram schools rather than public schools. The speakers seemed to have no real idea what our work environment was like; only one presenter even bothered to ask how large our classes were, and was visibly horrified to find out that the average answer was a lot closer to 40 than to 14. Just about every aspect of the workshop was inappropriate and useless in the context of teaching at a Korean public school, and the "cultural tips" weren't specific to Korea, but were general comments on Confuscian, "Asian" culture that were cliched to the point of being borderline offensive.

My point being, throwing native speakers at a problem doesn't do any good if there's still no clear understanding of what's to be accomplished, and of how to accomplish it.

Mike said...

If the government is going to mandate Korean culture courses, so to speak, for foreign teachers I think it would be wise to also enforce mandatory Western culture courses for co-teachers and administrators who will host a foreign teacher.

As the saying goes, it takes two to tango.

Adam said...

Great article. I am in small agreement with Peter. Just because they are NSET's doing a cultural presentation doesn't mean it'll be better. But I think everyone needs to be open to the idea that everyone has a very different experience and no matter how "good" the cultural orientation is, it will not be the same as the individual's experience.

Brian said...

Brian I enjoy your articles. You provide good insight. Just had an additional thougnt to add. I think it is important for foreigners to learn about korean culture when they are here teaching in korea. One thing I thought the article failed to address is the lack of interest foreigners seem to have in learning Korean. I know in America people are very quick to express their annoyance over immigrants who don't or can't speak english very well, yet those people seem to have no problem coming to Korea and show similar annoyance over Koreans not being able to speak english. It's also hard to teach a language if you have never taken the time to try and learn one yourself.

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Puffin Watch said...

As I think I commented in a previous posting, don't most people who come to Korea already know something or another about the culture/food/etc.? It seems to me before introducing some kind of expensive (and half assed) course, why not do a statistically valid measure of NSET's knowledge of Korea shortly after arrival. We can throw around anecdotes til the so gogi comes home but there's a rather simple solution.

But that would make sense. But we know Korean's like to put the spade in the ground long before even considering if there's a need...

One in the academic world might encourage a student looking for a thesis to consider this.

One thing I thought the article failed to address is the lack of interest foreigners seem to have in learning Korean.

One person's learning Korean is another person's backsliding. If you're planning to marry into the culture and stay for 10 years, it would be rather shameful if you didn't strive to become as fluent as possible. If you're here for 1 year, well, it's very good to learn hangul, learn how to be polite, learn how to ask for things in Korean.

Ultimately, Korean has little utility outside of Korea. I have no issues with someone who would rather spend his couple years in country learning CSS over being able to read a Korean newspaper.

Other-Brian, could you define what you mean by learn Korean?

Maria said...

Excellent article - it really accords with my feelings and observations. The cultural sessions at our orientation were brief and tasteful, but another session in my second year was of the exact opposite nature and a real turn-off as a result! And then - I was, and still is, shocked re KET's knowledge of the English culture and especially literature, nevermind their seemingly utter resistance to read and function in English, eg. on the internet. I see a smack of nationalism in these cultural inductions and it is becoming more and more clear to me that it is what is preventing lower level kids from getting enough exposure to English OUTSIDE of school - to me, a sad situation to say the least. Finally, really funny - the part in your Korea Herald article about "spicy food and four seasons" - you just left out the "kimchi is very healthy"-one - I did not count how many times I had to hear about those facts, but it were MANY TIMES, to the point of becoming kinda surreal, and that while I've eaten a lot more spicy food in my life??? All I could do was keep quiet and listen ...

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Brian said...

Keith, you bring up a good point in your last two paragraphs. However, I think one of the big challenges is reconciling teaching effective and meaningful communication with (1) the demands of teaching for tests, which leads to (2) the reduced importance of communicating in English, and (3) the reduced importance of accuracy.

True, taking courses and training yourself---which ideally people should do before they sign themselves up to teach overseas---will invariably help you, though not necessarily prepare you for the challenges of Korea. And that goes back, again, to schools and coteachers having very different ideas about what their NSET should be doing and whether a NSET is even necessary.

It's also important to remember that schools don't require any experience or training. Yep, people should take the initiative to do it themselves and be as best as they can be, but let's face it, that's not the reality. And when schools and recruiters are advertising jobs with lines about saving lots of money, paying off college loans, travelling to other countries, and having a great cultural experience---all good points, I'll add---it's not surprising.

Keith said...

We don't need lectures on the history of kimchi or demonstrations on Korean dancing. These things are superfluous to our purpose here in Korea: To encourage Korean students to use the English language in a communicative and meaningful manner. Maybe at the beginning of employment a short introduction to Korea is warranted during orientation but I'll be damn if I waste my precious time on things I can find out and experience for myself. Before coming to Korea I read everything to know about Korea: geography, history, and some cultural aspects. I suspect that most conscientious people will find out something concerning the place they will live for one or more years.

Btw, some people here constantly harp on not knowing what their purpose is. I will say it again: it is to help your charges to learn how to use the English language in a COMMUNICATIVE and MEANINGFUL way. (If you don't know about communicative language teaching I suggest you get some training or read a book on it.)

If some of you who denigrate the notion of "qualifications" went through some training that involves modicum of rigor, you would realize your purpose without having the Koreans telling you. One thing "qualifications" do give a person is a sense of what English language teaching (ELT) is about. Qualifications do not necessarily confer teaching ability all the time. That is up to the individual to follow through on the training that he has received. Yes, there are many who fail to live up to their training, but I bet there are far more EFFECTIVE teachers with qualifications than teachers without. Those who have "qualifications" have made a prima facie case that they are dedicated professionally to the teaching of English. Those who don't have any "qualifications" are suspect. That is the way it is, folks.

Todd said...

Another well written article Brian.


I totally agree with the other Brian who commented about learning a bit of the local language. In my experience, I've found it goes a long way.

Lancity said...

Speaking of mandatory culture classes, I was just informed that I will have to spend January 7-11 in Seoul attending one. Good thing my buddy's leave from Iraq got delayed to the end of January because we were planning on heading home at the same time. Not so lucky for some of the local teachers who already bought tickets.

Lancity said...

Sorry for the double post, but I should mention I teach in Yeongam County, Jeollanam-do.

Zach said...

I just got told I have to go Jan 7-11.

Peter said...

Alternate Brian,

You make some really good points. A willingness to learn about other cultures and languages is a great quality for a person to have, and likely does make one a better language teacher. And yes, North Americans who roll their eyes at foreigners and say "Why don't they just speak English?!?" are obnoxious ... and the few westerners who do that to Koreans IN KOREA are even worse.

But let's be brutally honest here. Newcomers to North America don't learn English just for fun, or out of an interest in the culture; they learn it because they need to. NSETs in Korea simply don't need to learn Korean in that same way. In fact, some Korean recruiters even use that as a selling point for teaching jobs -- assuring prospective NSETs that an inability to speak Korean, or a lack of any knowledge about Korean culture, won't be a problem.

Still, the NSETs in Korea are a varied bunch. Sure, there are some who wear their ignorance like a badge of honour. But there are also plenty who are interested in the culture and the language. In my 3 years in Korea, I only met a handful who didn't learn to read hangeul. If public school boards organized decent-quality Korean language classes for employees, I think the majority of NSETs would be very interested.

Adam said...

It's funny about how there was an announcement in the paper about foriegners' to attend mandatory cultural classes and now we are seeing people, myself included about this Jan 7-11 nonsense. I really wish we could politely decline. I don't want to waste my time learning things that we can find out in the parts of korea that enhance our time here. Going on trips you plan etc and learning about stuff on your own pace. NOT the gov't.

Diana E. said...

I'm curious about the content of these courses as well. I just assigned my (extremely smart and sensitive) first grade students a 10 minute presentation on some aspect of Korean culture (this was a month long project with research and the like) with the audience for it being foreign exchange students who will study in Korea and most of them chose topics like "Korean Idol Groups" and "Bossam." I suspect this course would be something like that. Some of it was useful for novices in Korea, but they really struggled to understand and connect with a foreign audience.

I think the government course would be even less aware of the needs of their audience...

Brian said...

For anyone in Jeollanam-do, I wrote this on Facebook but I'll repeat it here: if you have any information about these courses you'd like to share---programs, things you got from your school, etc.---I'd be interested to write about it. You can contact me at my email address deutsch.brian at gmail. Everything anonymous, of course, unless you want a hat tip.

I was planning on doing a follow-up to this post maybe on Monday, incorporating all the ideas thrown around, and would like to include an example of a planned session.

I agree, the mandatory courses required of teachers who have been here for a while are bullshit. Like I told a friend on Facebook, you should ask to see a program before you agree to go. Of course, they won't have anything prepared until a couple days before, so it'd be worth just saying you don't want to commit to something that hasn't been planned yet.

I'll respond to some other comments later, but I will just echo what Diana just said: these things do not understand the needs of their audience, and are probably not even designed with them.

Star said...

This could be helpful for new teachers.

There are large differences between South Korean culuture and Western Culture.

New teachers might be more prepared to handle situations such as
*corporal punishment
*schools raising dogs for meat
*being forced to drink
*Korean teachers sleeping during class


It's important to remember that these differences do not make a culture more or less civilized.

You do not have to accept the differences, but for your personal sanity it's good to learn tolerence.

Star said...

To sum up the culture class:

Culture:

*teachers often use corporal punishment to varying degrees of severity

I have witnessed students being hit lightly for minor infractions.

I have also witnessed students being beaten with a stick as thick as my arm, over 20 times by a full-grown adult male.

I have also witnessed female students being beaten as they are red-faced and crying.

I strive to remain objective. However I have noticed that the students who recieve the harshest punishments are often the same students who have the lowest grades across all subjects. These students are from disadvantaged families.

It seems very cruel that the students who receive the harshest punishents are already disadvantaged by socioeconomic status and do not attend academic academies.

I feel that this punishment is only breeding resentment for school and learning. It also does not seem to improve the students' behavior or performance.

However, I would agree that these public harsh punishments are very effective at setting an example for future rule-breakers.

*students and teachers often sleep during class

I have walked into my co-teachers classes and found the entire class, including my co-teacher asleep.

*you must do everything that your Principal says


*your school may raise dogs to sell to slaughter houses

*Koreans plan major events at the last moment
Despite having several official memos concerning dates of camps/field-trips/etc, these dates have often been changed.

Schedules and contracts are not adhered to.

There may be several changes to the school calander regarding dates and obligations, even if it is contradictory to prior information.

Please bear in mind that while South Korea is included as an OECD member...many economists, investors, and governments still consider SK to be an emerging market.


While it is easy to list differences between cultures...

Korea has made large advances during the past few decades.

For example I am very humbled when my *sleepy* co-teacher reminds me that when he was an elementary student he did not have running water, electricity, or even rice. His family survived on cheap barley.

Much of the faculty, aged 40-46, have memories of relying on US Food Aid to survive.

Although I have been frustrated or horrified by the Korean faculty at my school, I do respect their strength.

Although the culture has retained much of it's third-world ways, it has developed at an incredible pace.

Personally I think it was unwise for the government to hire so many foreign teachers.

With so many foreign teachers, Korea's problems with society are frequently debated and featured in global news sources.

The SK government's efforts of creating an international reputation are hampered by so many foreigners airing Korea's dirty laundry.

To make Korea appear to be more developed and civilized, they should keep foreigners out of typical Korean daily life.

Star said...

Sorry to post again.

Although the current generation in power in Korea has dated ideas about authority and conformity, I strongly believe that the younger generation has different views.

Unfortunately Korea is getting a terrible reputation from many of the native teachers.

I believe that Korea's public schools are not ready for so many outside views.

However, the situation may change in the future.

Zach said...

What frustrates me more than anything is that I've already been here well over a year and a half and never had a chance to do orientation because of being in limbo with the changes being made to the E2. From what I've heard from people who've done orientation before is that I didn't miss a thing. Being forced to do something to give me a cultural appreciation of somewhere where I have already lived and traveled around does not make much sense to me. I really hope this falls through.

Chad said...

[While I haven't had a chance to read this post yet my comment comes more from your post in the Herald.] Very nice piece, you are right on the money, however another point that should be made is that this orientation class should also inform newbies on the services available to them here. I recently took a survey for the Seoul gov. on how foreigners like it here, and it was only then that I became aware of some of the things available to us here. I consider myself to be fairly well informed, most of the time. I have been both a student here and now a teacher and still most of these things slipped under my nose. This could be addressed at such a class or even just included in a package of information given to new visa applicants (wow now there is an idea)

Lancity said...

Brian, I tried to find you on facebook but a search didn't seem to turn up anybody recognizable.

My co-teacher told me he'd have actual physical information for me to go over on Monday, so if I get my hands on something informative and/or in English I'll be sure to try to get some of it to you.

Brian said...

Lancity, I had a little netizen problem last year so I ramped up privacy settings. If you search for my email---deutsch.brian at gmail.com---that should turn up my name.

Well, nevermind, I see you just found me.

Matt said...
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Matt said...

@star

I missed this one on my first read through..

"The SK government's efforts of creating an international reputation are hampered by so many foreigners airing Korea's dirty laundry."

Ridiculous. The Korean government's efforts have been hampered by the Korean government. Don't point the finger at foreigners for KOREA's poor image.

Brian said...

I think, and I hope, Star meant that Koreans feel like they should keep foreigners out of certain areas. Not being too honest about corporal punishment, for example. I don't know how many times I was told corporal punishment doesn't happen anymore, even though I saw it regularly with my own eyes. Teachers coming to Korea need to learn, for example, that even though hitting students offends them, they really shouldn't get involved . . . it's a part of Korean culture we have a hard time getting accustomed to.

Matt said...

@star

"To make Korea appear to be more developed and civilized, they should keep foreigners out of typical Korean daily life."

This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read and I can't believe that I'm the first one to jump on this nonsense.

Keeping people out has never helped bring about a change. How exactly would Koreans do this? Different stores? Different water fountains? Different restaurants? Seperate but equal? Sorry, but my country tried that already. It didn't work very well.

I sincerely hope you're not going to passing your ignorance off as knowledge in one of these "Korean culture classes."

Star said...

I believe I'm coming across as overly harsh, ignorant, and anti-Korean culture. I do apologize. I was trying to be sarcastic, it didn't come off very well.

I agree, openness and honest communication is the best way to bring about change.


I do not think that the best way of change is to eliminate outside cultures.

Korea's government is desperately trying to change Korea's image.

They want to appear to be a multi-culutural, advanced, and humanitarian society.

We see lots of buzzwords and taglines,
Korea Sparkling
Dynamic Korea
The hub of Asia........

I believe that Korea has made great strides.

Through CNN commericials and paid-for adverts in the WSJ they might be able to promote their idealized version of "Korea Sparkling/ Dynamic Korea/Korea the Heart of Asia."

Unfortunately some parts of Korean culture such as:
the high suicide rate
teenagers commiting suicide over test results
the high abortion rate
racism
corporal punishment
dogs being beat on the street (my neighbors frequently beat their puppies, it's a terrible sound)
etc...
These are parts of Korean culture that most tourists will thankfully never be aware of.

Foreign teachers know first-hand that not all parts of Korea have advanced as far as the Government would like the world to believe.

I do believe that Korea has come a far way, but she still has strive to correct attitudes towards children, minorities, and women if she wants to be called "Korea Sparkling."


I apologize for being severely off-topic.

Thank you for reading my incredibly long and rambling post.

Brian, thanks for the article, it was a very good read.

Peter said...

@Brian
"I think, and I hope, Star meant that Koreans feel like they should keep foreigners out of certain areas."

I think that is a valid point. In fact, that's one reason I'm skeptical of the motivation behind these proposed cultural training sessions; is there really a popular desire among Koreans for foreigners to be active participants in Korean culture? I've always gotten the impression that many Koreans were more comfortable keeping some cultural distance between themselves and foreigners.

Brian said...

Came across this blog post while googling around, from a teacher in Yeosu:
***
There's also orientation part 2. In February. It covers sightseeing around Busan and Gyeongju, the old capital of Korea. Sounds good to me but oh by the way, its when I'm supposed to be in Hong Kong. My school got a notice saying that it is mandatory and that they need to pay 1,000,000 won (about $850) for me to attend. If I skip it, then I get blacklisted from all of Jeollanamdo Province. Looks like I'm changing my flight plans. My school approved my vacation then I got the orientation notice.
***
That's some bullshit right there.

http://www.expat-ray.com/2009/12/almost-done.html

Again, and I pointed this out with the deskwarming crap, if something is so important, it was likely important three months ago when it should have been planned.

jay said...

In my 1st few years here, I read about 25-30 books on Korea (all in English :)). I learned tons! Well, so I though. I was quite proud of myself for trying to do that. Even learning some proverbs and such.

and in 9 years here, Ive almost never used any of that knowledge.

i just chalk it up to that hierarchial thing. Im lower than alot of my co-teachers, so they dont ask me. Or they want to speak only of non-threatening things, you know, not to break the BooUiGii :).

Im still happy I did it.

I think the reason behind all of this, is that SOMEONE thinks by "understanding" (which here means obeying or following) the Korean culture, we will not make the "trouble" were perceiving as making.