Tuesday, October 6, 2009

I'll bet that 15-year-old really rides nice dick.

Damn, look at this 15-year-old, I'll bet she really knows how to [expletive]. I mean, that's what she's trying to say, right, by dancing like this? Here's 공민지 from the group 2ne1. If that video from the SBS site doesn't play, her routine starts around 2:45 in the clip below:



It's from an episode over the summer of "김정은의 초콜릿." Each of the four members did a tribute to a performer they admire, and Minzy chose Justin Timberlake.

25 comments:

Walter Foreman said...

Just thinking out loud here..

I've always wondered about this... How far can a person go in painting another culture using his/her own cultural brush?

For example, the middle finger has a certain meaning in certain cultures, but is by no means universal. Or, in Korea, placing one's thumb between one's pointer and middle finger is an obscene gesture, but is a cute "got your nose game" for babies in other cultures.

In short, body language is not language and cannot/should not be read as such.

1994 said...

She's really shaking her little money maker, isn't she. What an awful dance.
Side note: At what age can Korean girls get plastic surgery? They really can't become famous without eyelid surgery and shaved cheekbones, can they?

1994 said...

Dude, What are you taking about? Simulating sex is simulating sex...in any culture.

holterbarbour said...

These are practical skills to have when you're a pretty young girl in Korean showbiz.

Why, just ask Jang Ja-yeon!

jupitermaiden said...

W-O-W...talk about immature and completely uncalled for. I will no longer be reading your blog. I usually appreciate your views despite being occasionally too outlandish, but a post like this is totally inappropriate and as you could agree, you are no expert on current youth and/or pop culture, not even Korean, and therefore are unable to offer a truly educated opinion. In short, you're just being an asshole.

Brian said...

I'm sorry you disagree, jupitermaiden. The language is of course, well, coarse, but that's to prove a point. I'm curious how else you'd interpret a 15-year-old doing that dance. Rather than just calling me an asshole, I'd like to hear your point of view.

3gyupsal said...

I'm going to critique the video as a whole. The part with Minzy dancing was a bit unsettling. But as a whole the other members did their individual parts surprisingly pretty well. the girl who did the Lauren Hill song wasn't terrible.

I think this one was a bit more disturbing though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGP0Ztqo8yg

Korea is strange because there is a bit of a decency vacuum. You will notice that "Minzy," is much more clothed than say Brittany Spears was when "Hit me Baby One More Time," came out, but in America there was an out cry from the prudes as well. About a month or two ago Miley Cyrus hit us with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K92_eYVZaY

And there was a lot of outrage. I would have actually like to here Minzy try to sing something, but she is the dancer of the group.

brent said...

Goodbye, Jupitermaiden.

kushibo said...

Totally inappropriate dance for a fifteen-year-old girl to do or to watch.

That said, I have a sneaking suspicion that what she's doing is mechanical (i.e., she learned to do the dance because she knew the dance was sexy, as in attractive and cute, without fully understanding why it's sexy). (I'm sort of getting Walter Foreman's point here.)

Now then, I just wanted to point out, Brian, that you may be walking a fine line yourself, legally speaking, by publicly speculating on how good it would be to have sex with a particular fifteen-year-old. Just saying.

And I say that not out of criticism (I, too, had a WTF?! when I saw that bit) but out of genuine concern. Your name is attached to this blog and you might want to consider taking a mulligan.

Stephannie said...

That was like a stripper's dance, she was just missing the pole. Not sure how her Korean parents, grandparents are viewing this culturally, perhaps they are able to justify it with the thought of the income she'll generate, which she will use to support them.

Yea, she has more clothes on, and those skin tight pants showed off her butt crack just was well as a thong would.

Kinda reminds me of the girls who wear the ultra mini skirts, then use a handkerchf to cover their laps when they sit down, so no one can see their panties. Creating the illusion of seduction, then using clothing to give a different message of purity/innocence is playing with fire. As long as she's ranking in the $$ and fame she's ok, but well...

Maybe we can't know for sure how Korean culture is 'painting' her, but we can watch indicators that give us hints. would a 'nice boy' date her now? What are her marriage prospects now?

If this dance is really culturally ok, then she'll have increased her chances at a better marriage, not decreased them.

Waiting the 7-10 years to see is the boring part of this thought... unless she keeps up the dance routines, then the boys will definately be following her progress.

even the pop stars in other countries have to deal with jealous boyfriends/husbands that conflict with their moneymaker pop-art.

Would a typical Korean man be happy knowing most of Korea has seen his bride shake her booty & offer her ass on TV & internet? maybe she'll be rich enough to overcome the green eyed monster.

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Brian said...

Good point, kushibo. The title stays, I swapped out the word in the post. I'm not suggesting anybody have sex with a 15-year-old---though a reader with limited English might misunderstand---but the point of being so aggressive and crass is to show what that kind of dancing suggests.

Scott said...

I agree with Walter on this one. In Korean culture, many of those moves actually symbolize traditional harvesting practices and thus clearly should be interpreted as a call to celebrate and support the local farmers. Traditional Korean dancers (kisaeng) would often incorporate those kinds of moves into their performances.

And then, after enjoying the symbolic and traditional dances of the kisaeng, the men would fuck them.

So yes, it is important to read everything in its proper cultural context.

arvinsign said...

I agree with Walter on this one. Nice point. Its a fact that most people fail to recognize and remember.

@ Brian
"though a reader with limited English might misunderstand---"

-- this is applicable to all, not only to non NS. Since you know that the title itself can be misleading (at least for a fraction of your readers), then i dont understand why you have to keep it that way. Unless you just want to save your ego from embarrassment.

Walter Foreman said...

@ Scott...

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, but I think you are...

I was just saying that sometimes some of these discussions start to sound like the... "she was asking to be raped b/c she was dressed like a slut" discussion.

How can a person's outward appearance ever been an invitation for sex? Especially if that person is a minor and especially if that person is in a public place and especially if that person is merely doing his or her job. I just don’t get it.

The person dancing here is a performer performing to an audience. I really doubt that she's soliciting for sex.

Maybe someone should ask her? I am serious about this point. I would love to have someone ask her (or her management team) about if she feels like she is soliciting sex while dancing. Along those same lines, I did see a Korean program that went to Japan and asked the school girls there if they were embarrassed by or felt sexualized by their very short school uniform skirts. They said no they didn’t and felt it strange that anyone should think so.

Extremely hypothetical situation alert… What if a culture of people were suddenly discovered who found it sexually appealing to be fully clothed and swinging one’s arms as they walked? Would I then be guilty of soliciting sex every day as I walked down the street fully clothed and swinging my arms? Or, would that culture be guilty of misinterpreting my actions?

Again, just thinking out loud here..

fattycat said...

Isnt it rather offensive to think that she doesnt know what she is doing? "Oh ya, she's just a little nieve korean girl who doesnt know that what she is doing is sextually sugestive." Come on! She's about 15 years old and famous. She's been around and isnt just some poor farm girl living in a bubble. She knows damn well what she is doing and she doesnt care.

That being said, I dont think she is any different then most 15 year olds around the world. I look at what I wore at that age. Sheesh! I wouldnt have let myself out the door. But then again, I wasnt doing it on stage and her dance creeped me out...must be getting old

Kya said...
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Lancity said...

As to your last post Walter, I think Dave Chapelle did a bit about that a couple of years ago for his Killing Them Softly special. The gist being 'you may not be a whore, but you're wearing a whore's uniform.'

Chickjin said...

I'm a fan of your blog but I have to say i was creeped out by the title of this post, which caused me to watch the video- didn't think it warranted such a strict critique; a bit sexy but more modern/gymnasticy.

The comment seems creepy to me because of the assumption that this person's dance is connected 1. to her own sexuality and 2. to some hetero-fantasy of sexuality. It does seem to come dangerously close to the whole, "she's asking for it" type of banter.

LT said...

I wish this was more shocking to me...but it's not. Girls my age are always doing crazy, supposedly "sexy" stuff and prancing around in their micro mini skirts. DNW

fattycat said...

I'm sorry but though she may not be "asking for it" our actions and appearance have consiquences. She is trying to be sexy. She knows she is being sexy. But a 15 year old's world is very small. she isnt thinking that some dirty old man somewhere is watching her show and doing lude things. No one that age does. 15 year olds want to express themselves. They want to be sexy. But it's up to their parents and in this case their manager to say "hey you know that might be a bad idea".

Mike Bohemoth said...

I can't believe people are so frequently entertained by hot young girls dancing in a way that seems to be a symptom for a severe neurological problem. To say her performance resembles a strippers dance is totally overrating it, she's not nearly as good as an even moderately talented stripper. Sticking her ass in the air and wiggling it is decidedly suggestive, but it's not good dancing.

palladin said...

I can't believe there is actually a group of people out there with nothing else to do but make comments about how a young performer shouldn't be "shaker his a$$". Seriously ... are we back in the old country or in a post industrial modern high-tech society?

These girls (and all the other groups) are performers, and their jobs require that they act in a grossly provocative fashion. The interesting part is that the posters on this blog are not the target audience. Young Korean girls / boys are the target audience, and they eat this stuff up. Were you guys expecting girls out in traditional dress doing traditional dances? In Europe / America the current pop stars already act like this, or sometimes even more so.

Lady Gaga, Britany Spears, and Biance (sp) are just a few names I can think off the top of my head. Unless they get a pass because their "western" and these girls are expected to act like the poor sweet innocent Korean girls they are (/sarcasm).

Really, its getting to be a bit much lately with all the pop-star bashing going on within the foreigner community. Its horribly arrogant and presumptuous, to the point that I'm not really wanting to be associated with the community anymore.

Natalia said...

The owner of this blog is a pervert, who didn't get laid for a long time!! So now he must destress himself, and find a victim in young girl... get real!!! girls in this times are doing many worse things than this!!(for example Miley Cyrus, shes posing for a litlle nice girl from "Hannah Montana" and then you see her naked pic on internet) That performer girl is wearing clothses from head to toe, and shake her hips when she dance and it's all!! And you are a teacher?? How do you look at your students? when you look at pretty girl you are thinking "hmm I'll bet that she rides nice dick." You are writing about how that girl dancing is provocative and inappropriate, but using a words to describe it like "ride nice dick" is appropriate? Or maybe you just want to make a commotion on your blog...
Ps: Sorry that my english suck but im still learning.

Brian said...

Yes, Natalia, your English is suck.

I wouldn't care about that, but you did come here, to my site, and proceed to yell at me like I'm a child being scolded.

I think if you read the post you would understand my reason for using the language I did.

Don't come here again to lecture me, and don't come here again without learning some politeness and respect, first.