Monday, May 5, 2008

I drive a Dodge Stratus!



One of the bigger stories the past few days in the Korean blogosphere has been the "blog juice" post on London Korean Links. That post researched the stats for 20 of the top Korea blogs *cough*, but started an interesting series of comments regarding the blogging scene over here. Lame stuff to all but, like, eight people, but whatever. I originally posted the gist of these comments on the LKL entry, but it doesn't look like the moderator approved, so I'll just share them here.

Both James and King Baeksu mentioned how they felt The Marmot's Hole had slipped over the years. I'm in no position to judge him or his blog, which trumps me and mine in pretty much every way imaginable, but I will write that it is no longer the place for information anymore. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, because it shows some very healthy diversification in the blogosphere. But to backtrack a little, I do think The Marmot's Hole has shown improvement over the past few months. I recall the infrequent updates over there and the absolutely horrid guest bloggers that made me almost (almost) stop visiting altogether. The drop-off between Robert's posts and "The Marmot's Hole, Weekend Edition" was remarkable. James is right, though, in his point about that blog being behind the curve with news nowadays . . . nobody has time to sift through all the news sites and put together tons of updates a day, but to miss out on big news stories is something inexcusable if you've got, like, five gueest bloggers, which The Marmot's Hole does. The problem is there is little overlap, or at least there wasn't until guest blogger Sonagi started picking up the slack, which meant that when Mr. Koehler didn't write the news, nobody wrote the news.

And as James says, there seems to be a lack of quality control, something I mentioned way back in regard to the guest bloggers, and which we also find with the bickering in the comments section. An example of the former presented itself just now when a generally sensible and informative poster put up this post on the giant wave in Boryeong that killed nine people today:
This is being reported on CNN… Can’t find details, not even an exact location…

anybody know anything? Hand of the Lord or another anti-Korean plot…?

Anyway, RIP for the victims, tentatively said to be fishermen and their children

Not only did the guy do no basic research at all---which would have revealed scores of news articles and would have at least provided the framework for an informative post on what will be a huge news story---but he goes and makes a crass, insensitive line like "Hand of the Lord or another anti-Korean plot…?" After nine people died on fucking Children's Day weekend. Half-assed work like that doesn't belong on the premier Korea blog, and I wouldn't even accept something like that from a middle school kid who typed it on his Blackberry on the way to school.

Anyway, it still gets me ticked off when I recall that the Marmot’s Hole (and all the other big blogs) completely ignored the Bill Kapoun story for two or three days . . . the Marmot was busy or out of town, as I recall it, but none of his guest writers wrote anything about it, all while his page filled up with fluff and garbage stories, and while his lawyer friend let his little fued spill out onto three different blogs. Really put all the “foreign community” talk into perspective when everyone was too busy fighting among themselves to spread the word about one of their own. Well, looks like Bill's family eventually received enough money through donations to cover expenses, so I guess that’s . . . as fortunate as can be in that situation, but that blog had 30 times my readership at the time, and a lot more good could have been done, yet in spite of my email and my mentions on the open theads, nobody over there picked up the story. Really reinforced, too, that lowly English teachers, who nobody gives a damn about anyway, are unfortunately put on the frontlines of battles here because bigger names—with requisitve influence and Korean-language skill—don’t do any heavy lifting. But, hey, who gets tired of reading about banking discrimination? Makes good copy, right?

Something I’ve been pleased to see over the past few months, though, is the increased visibility of newer, very entertaining and informative Korea-related blogs. They still don’t have the readership, though, of the big ones but that could change. Still kills me, though, that the “big boys” are considered Big Hominid, (probably the most annoying and annoyingly-designed blog out there), The Party Pooper (who does a couple entries a month), Oranckay (who hasn’t updated in two years), Ruminations in Korea (doesn’t update), Iceberg (rarely updates), Occidentalism (let the inmates run the asylum), Budaechigae (rarely updates), and Cathartidae (who doesn’t even have a blog anymore). It always used to bug me to see link lists that refer to the same eight or ten people, but now I'm honestly glad to have some fresh faces and to read folks that aren't participating in some grand circle-jerk. Roboseyo, Amanda Takes Off, A Year in Mokpo, and The Joshing Gnome (among others) are some examples of newer, quality blogs that few people ever hear about, and that evidentally don't turn up on many blogrolls.

Something also pleasing is the trend away from just combing the newspapers and being smarmy. I think the Marmot, Korea Beat, and Mongdori do good work in putting Korean-language stuff into English. But what is also important is pulling issues together, something Gusts of Popular Feeling, The Grand Narrative, and Gord Sellar (among others) do quite well.

So, that's basically what I wrote on LKL, save for a few minor changes. I'm sure I'll invite a lot of criticism by going after some of the hallowed old guard. Mark, from Korea Pop Wars, a blog ranked number 19 on LKL's list (but who would actually be ranked behind me were I included on the list, ㅋㅋㅋ) wrote:
[I]n reading Philip's column and looking at the Juice List made me realize who little good information is available about Korea through blogs (in English, anyhow). I think things were much better two years ago than today.

And he concludes by reiterating, after mentioning a few of today's bloggers:
But I feel confident returning to my original point -- if you want to understand Korean news, current affairs and the country in general, I think things are not as good today as they were a couple of years ago (at least from a blogging perspective). Maybe more sources are around now, but none of them compare to the top three of the past.

He bases his point mainly on the contention that scholars like Oranckay and Hanjungui Karuchim are no longer active. He seems like a nice guy, so we'll just agree to disagree, although I still maintain that the scene is much more healthier when we don't fight with more people involved and with more people doing more legwork to find more information and write more stories. I don't think anyone could really argue that today's bloggers aren't adding any new information to the knowledge pool, or certainly adding any less than in years gone by. First of all, spend three seconds on Gusts of Popular Feeling, on The Grand Narrative, or on A Year in Mokpo, and there goes the premise right out the window. (Wait, don't spend three seconds, spend three hours because those blogs are worth it.) Moreover, I think one would have to admit that, as James pointed out in one of his replies, adding commentary and synthesis to stories is a necessary value-adding step in the business nowadays. It's not enough to throw together a couple of links and call it a day even though I do that three times a week, because people can easily find out information for themselves. Creating context is what's important nowadays, putting things together, and I can think of about ten folks who do that really well today.

And I also believe people, whether as readers or writers, are less interested in the pursuit of objective information (whatever that may mean), but are rather interested in impressions. If I may plagiarize myself a bit, here is me complaining about the disinterest in collaborative efforts like Galbijim and Waygook.org among the foreign community down here, though I do make the case that it's the same deal with blogs and bloggers. The "they" refers to foreigners in the quote-unquote foreign community:
While they share knowledge they, don't, however, pool it. Ownership of ideas is very important, which explains the popularity of blogging, and which is why people refer to the Galbijim Suncheon page not as the Suncheon page but rather Brian's Suncheon page. And, as I see it, foreigners don’t value facts as much as they value impressions. That is, a Galbijim article might lay out population figures, might list restaurants and bars, might give directions to parks and movie theaters. But foreigners aren’t interested in what or where things are, but rather how things are, and opinions are invariably bound to their owners. While I have been bemoaning the lack of interest in Galbijim or Waygook.org (message board for Jeollanam-do teachers), I haven’t been paying enough attention to blogger or facebook, where hundreds of foreigners in South Jeolla are participating). The problem for Galbijim, then, is that its content is written by only a handful of faithful contributors, and the Jeolla content is generally written entirely by me. The nature of an encyclopedia means that I can give you all the facts you’ll need, but I can’t (explicitly) give you my impression. When an encyclopedia entry is written by a single person, there’s no reason to hold it in higher regard than a blog entry, and when an encyclopedia entry is written by a single person, there’s no reason to think it any different than a blog entry.

That is, any quote-unquote information I give you, whether on this site or through Galbijim or a message board, will never be taken purely as fact anyway, so what's the point of pretending otherwise? Anyway, I don't have letters after my name so what makes me think I can pretend to any authority in the first place? I think if I did have any influence around here we would have seen a reduction in the number of "What's Suncheon like?" and "Any foreigner bars in Gwangju?" posts on Dave's ESL Cafe, but *sigh* we all know how little good "facts" can do.

Well, it's getting late. In any event, keep up the good work, those of you doing it, and please please please continue to keep your sites free of animated .gifs!

9 comments:

Oh, Shinsano said...

Well, first of all let's take into consideration what a "blog juice" ranking is here. I look at that list and it reads more like a "faves" list, a list of someone who may have lived in Korea but no longer does. It's obviously not based solely on visits, and the fact that he's got people no longer posting on there, leads me to believe he's got some concentrate in that there juice.
And for the record that Big Hairy Hominid blog always struck me as a cry for psychological help...and I don't mean that in the funny/crazy guy way he was going for. The Metropolitian is an ego-maniac/self-promoter first and foremost, but at least he's smart and can write. Too bad I refuse to read him.
I like what you said about Marmot. It's been going downhill for a couple years and your comments about the commenter's themselves are spot on. In his defense he edits a magazine (as far as I know that thing is still publishing) and probably has little interest in blogging at this point. I noticed he put a little more effort into it when he started using google ads, but then, like anyone else who uses google ads, he probably realized it doesn't actually make you any money. Like any good Adam Smith disciple he utterly lost his passion. The number of posts didn't decline, but the quality of them sure did. Now (within the last week or two) it seems as though he's gotten on the other contributors to do more, which in the case of most of those guys isn't a good thing at all.
I've always wanted to tell you, your site reminds me of a young Marmot's Hole. The coverage is a little different, but the fearless perspective is similar, and you're able to include an appropriate level of irreverence without being stupid. You don't take yourself too seriously, which, if you look around at most blogs, especially in a place like Korea, where I think people have a greater desire to validate their own identity, is RARE. For my money your site is the best in the Koreablogosphere (with the possible exception of Korea Beat, which, is not really a blog) and hopefully your non-inclusion on some picks and pans list put together by some random guy in London doesn't bother you.
That said, I don't really read as many of the other sites as I ought to. I'm glad you included a few links. I'd never heard of any of those.

William George said...

Oh man? Where to start? Where to end? I'll stick with two points.

First: I think a lot of people were holding off on the Bill Kapoun story because when it first came out, everything about it smelled of "internet scam". Many folks were waiting for someone more legit than some blogger, or poster on ESL Cafe, to confirm the news. You can't blame anyone for waiting for independent confirmation from something like the Korea Herald.

Secondly, and this is the most important point:

It's just a blog. Marmot can run it in any way he feels like it. If he wants to change the focus to McCain '08 then that's his right.

But what's not your, or Baeksu's, or James', or anyone's right is to demand Robert to run his blog as the public service that you've portrayed it as up above. And while I think Robert has made the mistake of trying to provide that public service, I think everyone needs to drop their childish attitude of being owed the Korean CNN from him.

Now, I don't want to get too deep into the motivations of Marmot's harshest critics, but looking at names cited above... well, let's just say small stakes bring out the bitch in everyone. And I can't think of any stakes smaller than "I'm the best-known expat in Korea!"

Trust me. Been there. Done that. It's a idiot's game and you shouldn't start playing it if you can help it.

But the simple fact remains that Robert Koehler owes all of us nothing. And I think the bitchy ones need to start realizing that and letting it go.

Trust me, folks will feel better about not getting tied up over what they see is the faults of The Marmot's Hole and finding other things to read if Marmot isn't doing it for them.

Unless these people happen to be someone who's knee-deep in the "I'm the best known expat in Korea!" competition and are looking to cut the guy and his blog, down some.

Small stakes, right?

thegrandnarrative said...

William, do you really feel Brian needs to be reminded that the Marmot’s Hole is just a blog, and that Robert can run it any way he wants? What’s the point in stating the obvious?

There’s a difference between “demanding” that Robert change his blog, and Brian stating that in his opinion “it is no longer the place for information anymore” and then giving the reasons why. You seem quite happy to criticize Brian, myself and other bloggers in your comment yourself, so what on Earth is wrong with Brian outlining why he used to like a blog and criticizing how it’s changed himself?

Yes, like you say, if Brian doesn’t like the Marmot’s Hole then he can stop reading it. He knows, I know, you know…we all know. Tell us something we don’t know? Please? In the meantime, can Brian and other bloggers like myself please have permission to blog about what the hell we like too, including the fact that the same old blogs are invariably presented as “the most popular Korean blogs,” even though half are virtually dead and a quarter aren’t even about Korea? If you could put aside your feelings about bloggers aside for a moment, surely you’d admit that it’s a pretty bizarre quirk of the Korean blogosphere and of expat life here? But good luck trying to find someone other than a prejudiced, “small” blogger bringing it to people’s attention though.

Sure, of course Brian and I are partially motivated out of jealousy, and the day bloggers stop putting in the work to make their blogs more popular is hte day when their content starts going downhill. But last time I checked, criticizing blogs much more popular than our own doesn’t exactly get us brownie points with them or their readers (although actually Robert has been pretty gracious about the criticisms himself). And as for own readers? Like you say, they can stop reading if they don’t find this topic interesting.

(P.S. It may sound like I’m speaking for Brian. Sorry. I don’t mean to!)

Brian said...

Yeah, it wasn't my intention to mercilessly attack The Marmot's Hole . . . shades of David vs. Goliath, nor do I think I've scathingly criticized (or however ZenKimchi put it) the blogosphere. I spent the first couple of paragraphs on the Marmot's Hole because I was initially replying to a couple of posts on London Korea Links (they eventually put up my comment today). Mentioning The Marmot's Hole fit in with the trajectory of the conversation.

William is right that Robert Koehler owes nobody nothing. He's earned his keep a million times over, he certainly can do whatever he wants, and he doesn't need my or anybody's approval. He's still king of the mountain, and will probably stay that way for a while.

But I don't think it's unfair to express some disapproval with some aspects of his site. First of all, the guest bloggers there have always been pretty crappy, whether Shelton, the cross-posting Metropolitician, the lawyer, or whomever else turned up for some reason. While guest bloggers can be used to cover a breadth of topics, what often happens is coverage is heavy in some areas (elections, for example, or news of the weird) and lacking in others. And you've got writers nobody's heard of writing about topics nobody cares about. Now, it's his site and he can do that if he pleases, but I think what James and I were talking about is the Marmot worship that has continued in spite of these changes for the worse.

As for the other blogs I mentioned, I don't recall ever reading them much and I certainly don't know why they are considered among the best. Well, I did read Occidentalism all the time, and some of the posts---the Dokdo series, the stuff about those comic books---are classics. But that site is a fine example of what can happen when you give your readers too much power. Seems he spends more time bitching with his commenters than he does posting news. And, to be honest, I feel a lot of his stuff indicates a man who has gone off the deep end with ranting and raving. But, yeah, as for the other blogs, I never understood why they were consistently ranked among the best, especially when they never . . . well, never said anything. I assume it just boiled down to old loyalties from back when few cared enough about Korea to right about it. But Jesus Christ, I have no idea how the Big Hominid ever became one of the established stars. The ugliest Korea site out there, and that's not even taking into account the garbage he writes that people fawn over. Anyway, it was just my point that it's about time to pay some attention to the newer bloggers who are actually writing interesting stuff, rather than just being smarmy or posting pictures of Konglish.

I don't think it's even appropriate anymore to talk about a single, top blogger, because people get their news from all over the place. The people who actually follow blogs here usually make their daily rounds or have all their favorite feeds put into a single reader.

Besides . . . this is the Korea blogosphere . . . even the top blogs here get fewer hits per day than the top ones back home get in an hour. Not exactly a glamorous field.

jawick said...

Hi Brian,

I enjoy perusing the Korean blogs for information that may be beneficial for foreigners living here. Some are even like windows into my own life experiences here with their own unique spins on situations I've found myself in. At times though, I do find that some authors do take themselves a little too seriously and get bent out of shape when others don't share their world, or even neighborhood, views, but so is life. I like that yours is written from a straight shooter standpoint. However, sometimes the harping gets to be a bit much, so I don't come around as much as I do with other blogs. The Nazi adds were in poor taste and atrocious, but not quite the re-emergence of Hitler, himself, and while Bill Kapoun suffered a terrible tragedy, and maybe even foul play, beating your readers over their heads mercilessly with your take on these issues is sometimes hard to stomach.

But it is your blog and I am glad that you are doing what you are doing; otherwise, I wouldn't be privy to all the great the information in the above posts (before I found them going a bit overboard) as well as all the information you pass along about the lack of safety for children in this society and issues facing foreigners here in South Korea.

Criticism sucks, and it hurts one's pride, but it can also foster growth and change for the better . I'm sure glad someone criticized the UNIVAC 1 or else improvements may never have been made in the home computing field, and the world would be a different place entirely. I know I wouldn't be connecting to my slingplayer right now to watch the CBS and FOX Monday night line-ups back in the U.S. without those improvements. I hope tonight's episode of "House" is better than last week's.

Keep up the good work, and try to understand that your readers are only human. We have our own priorities and our own defects. Some of us won't get "it" all the time, but I'm grateful that there are those out there looking out for us. I've even gotten help from some of those at The Marmot's Hole when I desperately needed it; however, that bulletin this weekend about the rogue wave was a disgrace. I tried leaving a link on the open thread about it, but the site would not accept my posting with links until someone verified them.

John from Daejeon

Mark Russell said...

Hi Brian:

So I have been thinking about my original post a little more, trying to clarify what was on my mind. Because I am certainly no fan of nostalgia or the "old guard" of bloggers in general.

I think what I was trying to get at, perhaps, was the idea of the "old China hand." Or old Korea hand, in this case. People who had been in Korea a long time and had a really good, deep understanding of the place.

Sure, there are plenty of people really knowledgeable about Korea, but none of them blog (that I know, anyhow). But for much the same reason I really enjoy talking to Peter Bartholomew or Gary Rector or the like, I really enjoyed those three blogs I mentioned.

Oranckay and Antti had a really deep knowledge of Korea that was as helpful as it was impressive.

Granted, the Marmot has only been in Korea about the same amount of time I have, but he is a political junkie, and because of his old job (and language skills), he really learned a lot about Korean politics and what did not make the English news (and sometimes, what did not make the Korean news either).

But for the most part, I agree with your critiques of the old school bloggers (with one huge exception, a blog you liked that I consider drivel). I was just trying to explain why I liked three specific blogs and how I think no one has filled their shoes. Plenty of people, yourself included, are doing good stuff... But this one particular area that I quite liked has not been filled.

Hope that makes some sense.

Scott said...

William George, your argument seems to be that unlike every other medium of information dissemination in the public sphere (i.e., the proverbial fourth estate), Marmot or any other blogger deserves some sort of "free pass" from criticism just because, well, because it's a blog. I can see how that would be a convenient argument for a blogger to make, but I just don't buy it. Blogs thrive on criticizing the MSM: If they can't take a little heat in return, then they shouldn't be playing with the big boys and girls in the first place!

Roboseyo said...

Hi Brian. As I said over at LondonKoreanLinks, thanks for the bump. Since I read your thoughts on the topic, I've been paying a little more attention to who's getting sidebar-link-love and such, and I'm becoming convinced that you're onto something. It's surprising how often the same few links come up. I even have them on my own sidebar, but will, in the future, make room for choices a little farther outside the box, for sure. Glad you enjoy my site.

Brian said...

@ oh shinsano:

Thanks for the props. Out of curiosity I took a look at some of the Marmot's older posts (I only started reading Korea blogs in about the spring of 2006). Very different feel than today (and more cursing). I didn't yet make it up to his "political" phase . . . in 2003 he was still living in Gwangju.